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  Condemned By Their Own Words

  by worf in

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  i posted this on the old h2o board and i am posting it here especially for those who are still inside the wts and for those lurking here who may now be questioning the wts.. this taken from the watchtower bound volume of 1962 pages 112-114.. this article gives the bible account of 1 kings 13:1-28 in paragraphs 10-14. i will not quote the entire passage here because of its length but i suggest you read it when you have the chance.. the information presented in this article definitely contains the usual wts contradictions but this article is proof that any jw is not obligated to obey anything said by the wts whether the so-called direction comes from an elder, ministerial servant, co, do, city overseer, or gb member.. here are some of the exact words from this watchtower article under the subheading "avoiding presumptuous acts" :"what does the christian learn from this?

  to be constant in faultless walking in jehovah's eye's, always seek his direction, especially at perplexing moments in life.

  never push ahead presumptuously either on our own ideas or upon the urgings of someone else, even though that person may occupy a responsible position in god's organization.

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  Also kinda puts their foot in their own mouth so-to-speak considering how many times the have prophesied the end of the world and we're still here
  That messes with the whole brighter/changing light doctrine to,
  surely if you always look to God and follow him in everything- God would know the truth about himself and there would be no constant changing doctrine. Just shows who they are Not truly following.
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  If you believe it, is it still a lie?

  by thinker in

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  i know of an active jw who lies.

  the thing is, this person probably believes what they're saying is true.

  they are basically lying to themselves first, then repeating it to my wife and me.

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  Whats the phrase?
  "Wishing doesn't make it so"
  Truth is truth period. You can choose to believe it or not but it is still truth.
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  How do you know if you're going to heaven?

  by Christiangal in

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  the only way to go to heaven is believing that jesus christ is god's son, and that he was sent here to earth to die on the cross for our sins.

  if you confess him as lord and savior, then and only then, will you be certain that you are going to heaven.

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  Why is belief without evidence the requirement for salvation,

  That is an assumption that evidence doesn't exist. Have you ever looked and do you really want to see evidence?
  The evidence is real if you are willing to look at it.
  <>< Angie
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  Which is the most ridiculous religion?

  by sleepy in

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  most of us now laugh at the witnesses, but i think compared to some others they are quite reasonable ( notice i said compared).. so which religion has the most crazy beliefs.. i dont have much knowledge of these religions but i'll mention what i know , feel free to add your own points or correct me if i'm wrong.. i'll start with.. mormons,.

  believe jews migrated to america.and that we are angels on earth being tested.. monnies,.

  believe rev moon is jesus on earth.they also use (missuse) quatum physics to prove their beliefs.. scientology,.

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  Evolution.
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  How do you know if you're going to heaven?

  by Christiangal in

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  the only way to go to heaven is believing that jesus christ is god's son, and that he was sent here to earth to die on the cross for our sins.

  if you confess him as lord and savior, then and only then, will you be certain that you are going to heaven.

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  We live with and love God
  Hi christiangal, meet another christiangal
  Romans road is good, I also like Ephesians-probably cuz as a dub there was no grace, just law.
  Welcome to the board!
  "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may KNOW that you have eternal life."
  1John 5:13
  E-mail me sometime :) <>< ANgie
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  Do Apostate demos at conventions work?

  by home_and_dry in

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  firstly, hello from a newbie .

  i was reading a thread a few days ago which got me thinking.

  it was about everyones views on apostates before leaving the dubs.

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  I don't think its the most effective way but why not try it sometimes? I am a christian now and can't tell you how many times I've come out of a christian concert or event and have found the JWs flyered every car in a 6block radius. If they feel so free to do it to others maybe they should have to deal with it at their own conventions. I also think it knida cool that the exwitnesses have their own conventions.
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  Today is my B-day and here is my brief story

  by STRUGGLE in

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  i am a third generation jw.

  i told him we would talk later.

  later told me i was going to be dis'f.

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  (((((((STRUGGLE)))))))WELCOME!
  Have fun here and make some friends!
  Happy Birthday- not in a pagan, dancing girls kinda way
  but in a "I thank Yahweh he created you and blessed you with another great year" sorta way!
  If you ever want to talk - email me!
  <>< ANGIE
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  If Adam had not sinned, would he be in heaven now?

  by stevieb1 in

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  one of the ways the wt tries to get you into believing you are not going to heaven even if you d not have faith in christ is by saying that if adam had not sinned we would all be living in a paradise earth.

  the publication "reasoning from the scriptures" states on page 162: "it wa not jehovah's original purpose for man someday to die.......death was to be punishment for disobedience, not the doorway to a better life in heaven.

  obedience would have ben rewarded by continued life, eternal life, in the paradise that god had given to man.

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  Gumby, ya read my mind!
  No, technically, Adam would not be in heaven because he wouldn't have died yet. The wages of sin is DEATH. No sin = No death.
  We may think it's dumb for God to create us with a free will that he knows we'll screw up and he'll have to come and save us from but there is a bigger picture. Creating us without free will would have made us basiclly robots and no true love, emotion or joy could come from that. To have all those things God allowed us to choose and made a way for us to choose him.
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  Cross or Stake, which is biblically true??

  by butalbee in

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  can somebody please explain to me biblically where it says jesus died on a stake and not a cross?

  need theological details, please.

  prove your stakely beliefs...

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  Adonai438

  This is gonna be long but I just wrote this up for a relative of mine and has some good info---let me know if you have any questions or comments
  CROSS
  First and foremost, whether it was a cross or a stake is really no big deal to Christians. We just go by what the Bible and Archeology says about the use of a cross in the death of Jesus.

  Those who hold to the torture stake theory usually base their
  conclusion on three arguments:
  Argument #1: "Prior to the time of Christ, various crosses were used as religious symbols to represent the sun god or even
  'Tammuz,' the false messiah of Babylon. This proves that Christianity derived its cross from paganism."
  Answer: The Babylonians also believed that Tammuz died and was resurrected from the dead (A Dictionary of Non-Christian Religions by Geoffrey Parrinder, pg. 273). But rather than conclude that the Christian belief in Jesus and his resurrection originated in paganism, Christians can conclude that Satan counterfeited the birth and resurrection of Jesus just as he counterfeited the Christian cross in pagan religions. One of Satan's most effective schemes is to counterfeit God's truth (Exodus 7:8-12).

  Argument #2: "The cross did not become a permanent symbol of redemption until the Edict of Milan in A.D. 313"
  Answer: The Edict of Milan removed the need for secrecy among Christians which had stood in the way of open symbols and worship. (Handbook to the History of Christianity, 1977, pp. 38, 150).

  Argument #3: "The Greek word stau ros means 'stake' or 'pale.' This proves Jesus was impaled on a torture stake rather than crucified on a cross. Bible translators are being dishonest in rendering stau ros as cross."
  Answer: Early usage of the word stau ros together with research into the manner of Roman executions shows that Jesus died on a cross, and stau ros can refer to either a stake or cross, depending on the context.
  Roman crucifixion went in this manner: The condemned man was forced to drag his own stau ros (John 19:17) to the place of punishment where the other stau ros already was upright in the ground. The victim's arms then were outstretched to the stake, or crossbeam, that he had dragged, and then nailed to it through the wrists. The crossbeam then was lifted up, with the body on it, to the vertical stau ros and attached by a long spike. Last, the feet of the condemned man were nailed to the upright post (Encyclopedia Britannica - Vol. 6, 1973, pg. 825; Encyclopedia Americana - Vol. 8, 1984, pp. 260-261; Jesus And His Times, 1954, Daniel Rops, pp. 540-541).
  Thus, the two stakes together make a cross. Stau ros is used in the Bible to describe the crossbeam (Matthew 27:32; Mark 15:21; Luke 23:26; John 19:17). It also is used to describe the cross after both stakes were joined (Matthew 27:40, 42; Mark 15:30, 32; John 19:19, 25, 31).
  The testimony of two early historical witnesses is quite
  strong in favor of the Christian cross.
  *Ireneaus (130-200AD) spoke of the cross of Jesus as having five ends as follows: two longitudinal, two latitudinal, and a fifth to support the weight of the victim. (Adversus Haereses, II, 24, 4)
  *Barnabas (90-120AD)testified that the cross of Jesus was in the shape of a Greek letter Tau [which is ‘T‘]. (Epistle of Barnabas, X, 8.)

  Finally, an examination of this subject would be incomplete without the testimony of Thomas. Had Jesus been impaled on a stake, there would be only one nail going through both hands (De Cruce Liber Primus, pg. 1155; also see The Watchtower, April 1, 1965, pg. 211). Yet Thomas stated: "Unless I shall see in his hands the imprint of the NAILS and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe" (John 20:25, NASV). Thomas' statement clearly indicates a cross!

  Some think that Christians idolize or worship the symbol of the cross. That is not true. Christians use the symbol of the cross for what it represents. It is the ‘alter’ on which the perfect Lamb of God was sacrificed for our sin so that we could be forgiven. It represents salvation and victory over the enemy. It represents how much God loves us, that he sent his own son.

  I’ve also heard an argument that goes something like this: Question: “Why do you wear a cross around your neck? It’s a weapon! If your child was shot to death would you wear the gun around your neck?”
  It sounds logical but the circumstances are not equal.
  ANSWER: “No, because my child was not God incarnate sent to die for the sins of the world. My child did not raise themselves from the dead to offer eternal Life.You see, Jesus overcame the cross- that’s why it’s a symbol of God’s victory.”

  ***God uses symbols in the Bible so there is no moral reason to not use a symbol. Think of how many symbols God uses to describe himself like fire, wind, light, bread, water, etc…
  ***In fact, the cross was used as a symbol of faith and the Gospel in Biblical times as well. (See: 1 Cor.1:18, Gal. 6:12, Phil. 3:18, Luke 9:23 etc…)

  CONGRATULATIONS! You made it through this
  <>< Angie
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  hello from newbie

  by gspradling in

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  i am an inactive jw.

  my mother and sis are still in.

  i have been lurking here for awhile and i enjoy reading most posts.

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  Adonai438

  Welcome!!! I myself DAed myself 6 years ago and am now a christian. Fell free to ask us anything and share your opinions
  Can't wait to get to know ya! <>< Angie