Seedy: any evidence for Yhwh as Baal's brother? The only evidence I've seen thus far is of Yhwh as an alternative name for Baal (see the "JEHOVAH" thread).
Narkissos
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Should they use the sacred name of God? YHWH
by Sirona innow you may think i'm a little slow to catch on here.
this morning was the first time it occurred to me that the jw's use of the tetragrammaton may actually be a huge insult to other faiths.
admittedly they use a modern day english version of the name of god - jehovah.
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Should they use the sacred name of God? YHWH
by Sirona innow you may think i'm a little slow to catch on here.
this morning was the first time it occurred to me that the jw's use of the tetragrammaton may actually be a huge insult to other faiths.
admittedly they use a modern day english version of the name of god - jehovah.
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Narkissos
Littletoe: Where have you found the spelling Yahshuah? I knew of Yoshua' or Yehoshua' as the basis of the Greek Ièsous...
Btw, happy birthday to you (sorry I am at least one day late)!
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Should they use the sacred name of God? YHWH
by Sirona innow you may think i'm a little slow to catch on here.
this morning was the first time it occurred to me that the jw's use of the tetragrammaton may actually be a huge insult to other faiths.
admittedly they use a modern day english version of the name of god - jehovah.
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Narkissos
fjtoth: Of course I meant from the BIBLE Hebrew text, that is the final Hebrew premasoretic text as was fixed when the Bible canon was adopted by early rabbinical judaism in the century or so following the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple by Titus.
The partial removal you speak about, although adding very different things (cabbages and carrots as we usually say in French), is in fact very partial: adding such unrelated features as the original writer of Job's poetical dialogues wanting to appear non-Israelite or the Elohistic revision of the original Psalter, it hardly amounts to 5 % of all occurrences of the Tetragrammaton in the Hebrew Bible.
What remains is the point I already made: monotheistic judaism (from Ezra-Nehemiah's time on) felt very uneasy with the name Yhwh as a vestige of the ancient polytheistic religion of Israel, when Yhwh was only one god among many.
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Osiris-Dionysus
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just though it would be interesting to get your views on a series of events that were recorded 2,500bc.osiris-dionysus was born of a mortal virgin who after her death is honoured as a divine beingosiris-dionysus was born on either 25th december or 6th januarythe birth of osiris-dionysus is prophesised by a starosiris-dionysus turned water into wine at a weddingosiris-dionysus was surrounded by 12 disciplesosiris-dionysus rode triumphantly into town on a donkey while crowds waved branchesosiris-dionysus death and resurrection were celebrated by a ritual meal of bread and wine which symbolizes his body and bloodosiris-dionysus was accused of heresy and bringing a new religionfollowers of osiris-dionysus eat bread and drink wine to commune with him.osiris-dionysus was crucified on a treeosiris-dionysus died to redeem the sins of the worldosiris-dionysus corpse was wrapped in linen and anointed with myrrhosiris-dionysus is resurrected after 3 days and is witnessed by his disciples before ascending into heaventhe dates that osiris-dionysus died and ascended to heaven are exactly the same dates that are used for jesus death and ascending to heaventhree women followers visited osiris-dionysus empty tombfollowers of osiris-dionysus await his return as the judge during the last days.
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Narkissos
A little digression: have you ever noticed Hosea 6:1-3? What a "prophecy" of the third-day resurrection wouldn't it make! Yet it is very seldom quoted by Christian fundamentalists (including JWs). Why? Because it's a clear reference to the Baal's resurrection ritual, applied to Yhwh in Israel, and criticized by the prophet (not so much for the ritual itself as for the shallow religious and moral views surrounding it).
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Did You Dedicate Your Life to Serving Jehovah?
by Nosferatu ini remember at the age of 14, i was studying with a very well respected elder in the congregation.
me, him, and my dad studied together.
every once in a while during the study, he would turn to me and ask me "have you dedicated your life to jehovah?".
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Narkissos
Oh yes I did. I was just 13 at that time. Guess a few months later I would have seen things somewhat differently. But then I was on the track and followed it head first, right through pioneering and Bethel.
I always remembered the two questions for baptism which were commented by the speaker before being asked the "candidates".
During the talk I didn't had a doubt about "dedication", but about "repentance". Did I "repent from my sins"? Which? I was kind of relieved when he spoke of "living for oneself" as the basic "sin". This I could easily repent from.
The second question, about dedication proper, was something like "Did you commit yourself to do Jehovah's will, as revealed in the Bible under the light of the holy spirit?" Years later "the holy spirit" was replaced by "the organization" in the baptism questions. A few months after that change I was out, without the least feeling of being untrue to my "dedication"...
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If you could live forever, would you and why?
by Kenneson inthis questions was asked to miss alabama in the 1994 miss u.s.a. contest.
her response was: "i would not live forever, because we should not live forever, because if we were supposed to live forever, then we would live forever, but we cannot live forever, which is why i would not live forever.".
my view.
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Narkissos
I definitely side with Miss Alabama on this one: horrible as death may be in our minds, suppress it and everything we value in "humanity" vanishes.
Btw, life without death would be life without sex or birth.
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JEHOVAH
by minimus inwe all know that we do not know the correct pronunciation of the name of god.
over 6000 times, the tetragrammaton is mentioned in the ot.
yet for some reason, most bibles do not use the name jehovah or yahweh but a few times.
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Narkissos
I meant French PROTESTANT Bibles of course. One of JW's favorites was the Catholic 1905 Crampon Bible which consistently had "Jéhovah" throughout the OT.
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JEHOVAH
by minimus inwe all know that we do not know the correct pronunciation of the name of god.
over 6000 times, the tetragrammaton is mentioned in the ot.
yet for some reason, most bibles do not use the name jehovah or yahweh but a few times.
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Narkissos
Hi Playdrum,
IMO we have the same kind of problems with the concept of a "personal god" as we have with a "name of god". Both were at home in polytheism, but reached their logical limits when producing the new idea of "God".
Earnest: Thanks for the info. In fact the practice remained in French Bibles, down to the beginning of the 20th century, to "transliterate" in some places, though much fewer than in English Bibles: place names for instance. I still remember in the early 70's (prior to the publication of the French NWT) JWs pointing to Genesis 22:14 in their Segond Bible because it read "Jéhova-Jiré".
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Should they use the sacred name of God? YHWH
by Sirona innow you may think i'm a little slow to catch on here.
this morning was the first time it occurred to me that the jw's use of the tetragrammaton may actually be a huge insult to other faiths.
admittedly they use a modern day english version of the name of god - jehovah.
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Narkissos
fjtoth: the Tetragrammaton was never removed from the Hebrew text. It was not to be read aloud, but replaced by Adonaï (Lord) or Elohim (God) in public reading. However it is still written in any Hebrew Bible.
On related matters, see also http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/62692/1.ashx
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"Wise Men," or Duped Men?
by Schizm indupe defined:
a person who functions as the tool of another person or power.
the scene in the image below is a most popular one during the month of december.
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Narkissos
See also the Messianic use of the Greek word anatolè, meaning the rising of a star, in Luke 1:78f, against the Septuagint background where this astronomical metaphor often replaces a vegetal one (in Jeremiah 23:5 for instance, where the same anatolè translates the Hebrew çèmah, "growing", "sprout", "germ" or "branch").