Does anyone have the link to the article that MJ is takling about?
Kinda reminds me of one of my favorite cyber-punk books, "Snowcrash" which talks about religion as a replicating virus.
dura-luxe
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Depressed and doubting...
by dura-luxe ini've been out for 8 years, and for the first time in my life i am doubting.. not big doubts, but little ones.
it's all the middle east and the "peace and security" talk.
i feel like armageddon is coming.. the brainwashing never ends.
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Hey Americas not to blame its religion
by sleepy inmaybe its not america or its way of life as such that winds us foreigner whingers up .
maybe its not america that invaded iraq.
maybe its religion, the religious elemnet found in most western countries but to a much larger degree in the us.
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dura-luxe
Absolutely. It was 100% religion! They put the gay marriage initiatives on the ballots in states where they were afraid Kerry would win. This brought out the toothless "moral majority" types who cain't stand the thought of 'dem 'dere homos having the same rights that they do.
Bush won this election because people in the South hate gays more than they hate a murderous, pointless war.
These people, just like the JW's, don't care about this countries economic future because they think Jesus is coming back.
It's no accident that the places that voted for Kerry have the highest IQ's, or that the states that were actually attacked by terrorists voted against Bush.
The conservatives won because they came out and said "We hate gays, we love war" and the liberal party didn't have the balls to say "Um, we think gay people and minorities are human beings that deserve the same rights as all human beings, and we think that church and state should remain separate."
If we don't stand up for what we believe in and start calling it as we see it and start calling out Bush's government as a psychopathic, cult-driven, theocracy we are going to lose again.
And... they cheated.
Yeah, I'm disgusted.
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Depressed and doubting...
by dura-luxe ini've been out for 8 years, and for the first time in my life i am doubting.. not big doubts, but little ones.
it's all the middle east and the "peace and security" talk.
i feel like armageddon is coming.. the brainwashing never ends.
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dura-luxe
Thank you, everyone, for making me feel better!
I've really been hit hard by our new "president". Everyone is joking that the apocalypse is coming. For them it's just a joke, but for me, well... I think I heard it one time too many and had a minor freakout this afternoon.
It's so strange. Of course, I know the Jehovah's Witnesses philosophy is just idiotic and illogical, but when you're raised with something it just sticks with you. I guess 22 years of steady brainwashing takes more than just 8 years to disappear entirely. There's part of me that will always wonder "what if...?" I guess you just have to understand that will never go away and ignore it. Like someone said - counter it with facts.
Last week I both celebrated Halloween AND voted. The JW's would be mortified. :)
Speaking of brainwashing, I think Bush has taken a page from religious cult leaders. He's really got a hold over large parts of our nation, thanks, in no small part, to using techniques of FEAR to keep them in line. Having pulled myself out of a cult that is both homophobic and convinced that God is a murderous fool... ugh. It's just too depressing. I expected more from humanity, but why? I know exactly what these people think, and why they'll never listen to reason. So sad.
Anyway... thank you for taking the time to cheer me up :)
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Depressed and doubting...
by dura-luxe ini've been out for 8 years, and for the first time in my life i am doubting.. not big doubts, but little ones.
it's all the middle east and the "peace and security" talk.
i feel like armageddon is coming.. the brainwashing never ends.
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dura-luxe
I've been out for 8 years, and for the first time in my life I am doubting.
Not big doubts, but little ones. It's all the Middle East and the "peace and security" talk.
I feel like Armageddon is coming.
The brainwashing never ends.
I could use some words of wisdom if you have any to offer. Please.
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What Is The Kindest Thing That Someone Has Ever Done For You?
by codeblue in.
i have been thinking about this a lot lately.........kindness shouldn't go unnoticed or not appreciated.
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dura-luxe
Yes, the largest acts of kindness have definitely come from the "Worldly" people I know.
They helped me move all of my stuff and gave me a place to stay when I left my husband and the Witnesses. I'd gotten married at 18, like a good virginal Witness, so when I left him at 22, I had no idea how to make my way in the world. I couldn't have done it without the "Evil, Worldly People". One woman who I hardly knew lent me $500 to help me move and then wouldn't let me pay her back.
Just recently, I got a message on my cell phone from a friend saying "Jan didn't know that you were raised as a Jehovah's Witness and never celebrated birthdays. So here's a birthday wish for you..." and the two of them sang an operatic Happy Birthday into the phone.
Sure, it's been 8 years, but little things like that still mean so much to me.
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The pope and hepatitis
by dura-luxe ini was recently reminded of the jw line that "even the pope" once got contaminated blood.
you know, what they say when they run out of scriptures and try to pretend that their stance is really about health and not about fear of dying armageddon (like they'd let their child die if they weren't jw's.
so i decided to do something that no jehovah's witness ever does, which is actually double check some facts.
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dura-luxe
I was recently reminded of the JW line that "even the pope" once got contaminated blood. You know, what they say when they run out of scriptures and try to pretend that their stance is really about health and not about fear of dying Armageddon (like they'd let their child die if they weren't JW's. Sure.)
So I decided to do something that no Jehovah's Witness ever does, which is actually double check some facts. I've done several different google searches and have come up with nothing.
Does anyone know where the heck this statement about the pope came from? I'm stymied.
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I went to the assembly today, fun!
by jwbot inok, mike and i went to the circuit assembly today at the mca at the university of maine (where i go to school).
we made it through the first half and it went faster than i thought.. .
this is me and my friend jenn (another ex-jw) the night before the assembly at 10:30pm getting drunk before heading out to the bar where we got really drunk and danced and had a great time.
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dura-luxe
Wow, that brings back memories. I love the "evil man" to the left of your eyebrow.
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Problem recieving Watchtower & Awake "again"
by Dolllie ini posted earlier in the summer about some "racist" witnesses who told me that i could not recieve the watchtower & awake magazines, or attend the kingdom hall, because i was black & blacks were not able to understand the bible, "it was not for them".. i wrote a letter to the watchtower society & got a response!.
i moved out of that immediate area, a couple of towns(about 40 minutes away).
i contacted the watchtower society after moving here to have someone bring me the watchtower & awake.
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dura-luxe
I agree that it must have just been two crazy people.
JW's are very multi-cultural. Homophobic and sexist? Absolutely. But racist? I've never seen that.
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They hired a JW at my job
by dura-luxe ina new girl was hired at my job, and within 4 days it came out that she was a jehovah's witness.
amazing how you could go years without knowing another coworker's religion, but we all had to know about this girl within 4 days.
they had an assembly this weekend, and of course, we all knew exactly why she was taking the day off.
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dura-luxe
Thanks, all.
I actually work in a very strange environment, so I'm not too worried about discrimination or lawsuits, although it's always a concern (I work in a 3-person office in a house that's under construction, because the guy who owns this internet company also owns a construction company).
I guess that a part of me just wishes there were some way to help this girl. I see so much of myself in her. It's sad to work so closely with someone and want so desperately to make them see the truth (the REAL truth, of course, not "the truth" that they claim to have). It's very frustrating to watch someone being brainwashed but know deep down that there is nothing you can do about it.
I like the quote about kindness "confounding the hell out of them". Thank you for that.
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They hired a JW at my job
by dura-luxe ina new girl was hired at my job, and within 4 days it came out that she was a jehovah's witness.
amazing how you could go years without knowing another coworker's religion, but we all had to know about this girl within 4 days.
they had an assembly this weekend, and of course, we all knew exactly why she was taking the day off.
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dura-luxe
A new girl was hired at my job, and within 4 days it came out that she was a Jehovah's Witness. Amazing how you could go years without knowing another coworker's religion, but we all had to know about this girl within 4 days. They had an assembly this weekend, and of course, we all knew exactly why she was taking the day off.
She can't be any more than 21 years old, just graduated from a 2-year college (which, I guess, is more acceptable than an evil 4-year degree), and has already been married for 2 years. One day, she inexplicably started showing us pictures from her wedding, and her Kingdom Hall looked exactly like the one I used to go to. Immediately I started having flashbacks to my wonderous life of being "married at 18," and I had to excuse myself to go into the bathroom and cry. It makes me physically ill.
I haven't really said anything to her, because she's just brainwashed, like we all were. I told her that my parents had been Jehovah's Witnesses, but I never told her that I was disfellowshipped. The only thing I can hope to do is show her that I'm not evil or a Satan worshipper. That's how I got out. I just slowly began to see that "worldly" people had more christian, loving qualities than the Witnesses.
What would you do in this situation? Should I just ignore it and figure it's none of my business, or do I have a moral obligation to try and "help" this girl (which means years of hell as she tries to rebuild her life in the real world)?