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Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

by Ajax in

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freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

Ajax

Hello Phizzy -

My guess is that UK Human Rights directives will be among the world best and most progressive. If the rights to join , practice, change or abandon religion is enshrined - you are half way there!

Perhaps you will have a human rights commission to help you understand how the seemingly broad strokes of your national-regional charter or declaration can be made to accommodate JWS peculiar dilema.

The essential thing to remember is this - religious freedom means that ecclesiastic powers cannot be exercised over persons who have willfully removed themselves from under that jurisdiction. The mere granting of these sweeping freedoms allows those suffering in a thousand different ways at the hands of cults to simply sever their relationship, and forbids the cult from further interference with the persons freedom.

Thats why the cult lies on the JWorg site about whether they shun former members. They would admit to being in violation of human rights directives if they had been truthful about what really happens to those who left.

We must take the initiative to put ourselves in a circumstance where human rights protections can work for us. Be proactive - start today.

Think of it as Hyena Proofing your fade.

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Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

by Ajax in

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friends

freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

Ajax

Vidiot -

Thanks for your welcome comment.

Gorby posted recently that after their fading for some years, the CO visiting has led the hyenas back to his door.

Imagine how differently the Gorbys could react, if they could produce a document to prove that they had already Quit Quietly years ago.

Having exercised their legal right to religious freedom, they could still attend any KH meeting open to the public, chat with family or friends while there and heaven help the person or persons who single them out for abuse just because they exercised a legally granted right.

The congregation cannot take ecclesiastic judicial action againt nonmembers nor former members who have left of their own free will.

Separation of church and state precludes the states interference in religions internal affairs, so the democratic system has, through the granting of various human rights, the opportunity for individuals to free themselveswithout state interference, by simply acting under the protection of those guaranteed rights.

Quit Quietly now- the family you save may be your own.

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Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

by Ajax in

jw
friends

freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

Ajax

Azor-

My thoughts are with you and your family. I too walked away as a family elder in good standing .

You do what you know you have to do and lean on the good folks here- they understand and care.

Ajax

77

Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

by Ajax in

jw
friends

freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

Ajax

SAHS -

Article 18 from the UNs Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a well worded ideal. Reference to such a concise expression would lend much in the way of moral credibility those escaping the cult.

You are the second poster to realize that quiting quietly is in reality preemptive disassociation. Since the gestapo will not know that such a step has already been taken, its document already drafted and signature notarized, you are free from that authenticated date forward to live as a free person.

An elder body need only be made aware of your quiet discreet decision if they ever proceed to harass, persecute or discipline you based on your having already exercised your freedom of religion.

The local body of hyenas will lose every claim against them if they are thus preempted. Quitting quietly is the way forward to a life of freedom.

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Did you AWAKEN from the JWs by yourself?

by cultBgone in

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i was thinking about how so many posters here on jwn are frustrated and frantic to help their loved ones get away from the brainwashing of jws, and how much advice is given about how to help family members and loved ones.

i considered my own leaving and that it was internal turmoil based on the teachings getting weirder and child abuse issues, to name just a few, and it made me wonder:.

did you self-awaken or were you assisted by the gentle proddings of a friend or family member?

Ajax

Directions from the Watchtower Society started my awakening.

At a big District Assembly in the early 80s, all the brothers in charge of the literature counter were to meet during the lunch hour.

We were instructed to take a prepared¨News Release¨to any newspapers in our territory, in the hope that they would print the stupid propaganda shit.

The news release was about the assembly of course and started out - ¨At a convention of thousands of JWs, recently gathered at...blah, blah...

The release ended with a prewritten quote to which we were each expected to acknowledge as our own quote - (to give it that personal, local interest). The last sentence was ¨...blah, blah, blah.¨ Ajax said.¨ - we were all separately to falsely credit the same prefabricated quote to ourselves by inserting our own names!

I was not well educated, and don´t believe I had ever heard the phrase ¨intellectual dishonesty¨, ánd certainly didn´t understood the depths of journalistic integrityuntil a later time when i began to actually read widely, but I knew that this was just plain wrong.

That a publishing company would knowingly distribute a falsified quotation to be printed by other unsuspecting news publishers wrankles me still.

That sneaky bit of dishonesty helped me to read between the lines of Watchtower BS at CO visits and elders meetings until I Quit Quietly a few years later.

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Did you AWAKEN from the JWs by yourself?

by cultBgone in

jw
friends

i was thinking about how so many posters here on jwn are frustrated and frantic to help their loved ones get away from the brainwashing of jws, and how much advice is given about how to help family members and loved ones.

i considered my own leaving and that it was internal turmoil based on the teachings getting weirder and child abuse issues, to name just a few, and it made me wonder:.

did you self-awaken or were you assisted by the gentle proddings of a friend or family member?

Ajax

JWdaughter-

That was funny about the little girl in the parade - MORONS

And good on you for chirping out those questions as a quiet intelligent teen!

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Shipping items to the Philippines. Does anyone have experience shipping to other countries?

by adjusted knowledge in

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i live in the usa and want to ship my game consoles (xbox, playstation, wi, ect), laptop, and other items to my wife's family in the philippines.

i've used a company locally that ships there at a fix price of $90 per box.

so whatever i fit in the box will ship at that rate regardless of weight.

Ajax

Was once going to send a number of fairly large items by ship from Carribean to continental USA - scuba tanks and tool boxes full of tools etc.

Cost was going to be RIDICULOUS. A guy at the port said ¨Send them by freight on an airline - about $2 per pound¨ at the time, and they wer there 4 days later!

Security is vastly superior at the airport too.

77

Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

by Ajax in

jw
friends

freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

Ajax

Ruby456-

Thanks for your kind thoughts.

You are correct in that countries differ vastly in their implementation of effective human rights for the individual. Grand sweeping Universal and National declarations of human rights are ideals which may or may not have specific laws to make them effective .

More appropriate laws may be found closer to home in state (or provincial) statutes, and may be administered by a government sponsored commission or such structure. A search of ¨Your State......human rights¨ will give you information if such assistance is available.

A human rights commission will give you free of charge assessment of your circumstances and if grounds are sufficient your case may be championed by a Human Rights Tribunal. The tribunal has authority similar to that of a court of law - to gather evidence of discrimination, forward statements and files to parties involved, schedule hearings of complainant and respondent(s), arrange mediation and award settlements (including financial settlements for various damages). There is no charge unless one prefers to use legal counsel.

Watchtower policies are hugely discriminatory - they only get away with it as they are a cult dealing internally with their own willing cult members.

Our success in escaping lies in disolving the membership (legally notarized in writing) long before the predictable witch hunt begins... and to keep quiet about it until the fools (predictably) violate your human rights by discriminating against you as a free person.

77

Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

by Ajax in

jw
friends

freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

Ajax

Freedon of Religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.

If you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn´t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution. Your countries Human Rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose. Those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the Human rights statutes.

A person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.

When your time comes to abandon the JW-WT cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.

Write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with Pharisees and lawyers.

Take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date. You can also do the same thing at the post office with their date stamp , but they might not offer to witness your signature...just use a trusted friend.

TA-DAAA!.. OH Happy Day!.. You are no longer one of Jehovahs Witnesses!!.. as of this very moment!.. it´s the law!

Go ahead and put a stamp on that little document of yours and mail it to yourself..just to get something nice in the mail for a change.

..But don´t tell anyone just yet, maybe not for some time (depend on your situation), because now you have to provide evidence that you ain´t no cult drone no more. You can go to public meetings just like anybody but praying to Jabooba, singing his praises or mouthing comments will surely send the message to observers that you are still being (vomit) educated in the mental regulating of the cult you just left

When elders call - do what any non member would do - nothing... they are no longer your elders afterall.. they just don´t know it yet. Make yourself scarce and then more scarce. You are already free and if they identify you as anyone exceptional by an announcement, or recommend that you be treated or regarded in any specific way by an organization of which you are no part, they will violate your rights.

The elders, and the congregations they represent who transgess the human rights laws are liable for damages that they have so inflicted on persons whose only intention was to abandon a religion they no longer supported.

Please provide your feedback to this preemptive approach.

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10 hour basic pioneer provision question

by Letts Party in

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friends

i remember hearing about this rumor around the time of the annual meeting.

did this really happen?

i haven't heard anything about it at my meeting yet.

Ajax

How does one post a new topic on this forum? I see opportunity to reply at the bottom of posts but not to diverge into new topics??

And of course, my apology for posing this off topic question.