Posts by paradisebeauty

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What were you favorite book in the organization? I know what you're thinking...LOL!

by BashfulAshG in

what were *your favorite *books in the organization?.

out of all of those books, i liked "mankind's search for god.

" however, it appears to me that this book is incredibly obscure and no one recalls studying it during the old book study format.

paradisebeauty

The Bibles they were selling when they did not have their own translation.

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have you been moved by something you have read.

by Sabin in

i found this book by carmel reilly, it`s called dear god.

childrens letters to god from around the world.

i promise you that if you are having a bad day this book what ever your believes will lift your spirits.

paradisebeauty

@ vinman

I came across this concept while I was researching for some anti trinity verses, because I was about to have a discussion with a Pentecostal.

I was surprised to see that there are anti trinitarians that do not believe that Jesus preexisted as a being, but only as an idea / plan of God.

After some research I realized, that unitarianism is the true non trinitarian doctrine, that what the jw's believe is a kind of semitrinitarianism, taking some of the ideas about Jesus from the Gnostics, but not elevating Him to being God.

Another thing that surprised me is that in insight, they have a section that states with bold that Jesus is not a co-creator. But that is just another game of words, because when you say that everything was created through Jesus, of course you see him as a co-creator, but you just don't want to admit it because it looks too much with the trinity.

The idea of Jesus' preexistence then messes up jw's doctrine further because they can not explain the following:

- were the controversies really answered if Jesus was an angel originally?

- was in that case Jesus really the seed of woman?

- what value had the temptation of Jesus in human form by satan if Jesus preexisted?

- the Bible states after ressurection he was elevated to a superior position, if he was preexistent, being first spirit creature and everything was created through him, what superior position could he be given after resurrection, he was already was second after God

- because of this preexistence doctrine, the jw's have a total unbiblical story about what happened with Jesus' body after resurrection and his appearances. If you think about it, the pharisees wanted to blame the disciples that they stole Jesus' body, the jw's say that God made it "dissapear" ...

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"--want to survive Armageddon?-- the start partaking--

by prologos in

jesus: the gt will be cut short for the sake of the "chosen ones" the sealed anointed).

unless those days are cut short no flesh will be saved.

how can you be saved without being a chosen one, be a chosen one without partaking?.

paradisebeauty

@ prologos

one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. - hevrews 7:17

When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality - 1 cor 15:54

to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; - Romans 2:7

Many other verses on immortality in new testament

So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable - 1 cor 15:42

and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you -1 peter 1:4

The jw's just aren't familiar with those verses because when they probably get to them they just say - it does not apply to me, it is for the anointed, and move on.

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have you been moved by something you have read.

by Sabin in

i found this book by carmel reilly, it`s called dear god.

childrens letters to god from around the world.

i promise you that if you are having a bad day this book what ever your believes will lift your spirits.

paradisebeauty

Yes, by this book:

The Coming Kingdom of the Messiah
A Solution to the Riddle of the New Testament
by Anthony Buzzard

I asked permission from the author to translate it into my native language, and I started translating it.

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"--want to survive Armageddon?-- the start partaking--

by prologos in

jesus: the gt will be cut short for the sake of the "chosen ones" the sealed anointed).

unless those days are cut short no flesh will be saved.

how can you be saved without being a chosen one, be a chosen one without partaking?.

paradisebeauty

Agree! This is the real hope of the christians. All over new testament.

To live in the kingdom of God as a flesh and blood human being is what the unjust ones will receive - as a second chance to know God and decide. They will not live eternally. Read Isaiah 65:20 - there will be old people in the kingdom.

After the second judgment at the end of 1000 years the flash and blood people who will be judged favorable will also be transformed into the new creation - immortal beings.

Being the new creation, is the christian hope, they are not angels, they have bodies - incorruptible and indestructible bodies and they can live both on earth and in heavens - as Jesus did after resurrection.

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Jesus is not Michael the Archangel here is why

by paradisebeauty in

one of the biggest missunderstanding and unbiblical teaching of the jw's is that jesus is michael the archangel.

here is what proffessor anthony buzzard has to say about this:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puqzffyxno0.

paradisebeauty

Deuteronomy 18:15
The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him.

Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.

Plus in the prophesy of Genesis, the one who destroys Satan must be the seed of the woman.

In an angel the seed of a woman?

And if Jesus was in reality an angel, were the universal controversies really answered?

The idea that Jesus was an angel, a spirit creature is as mystic and as Gnostic as the trinity.

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Brother who works on JW Broadcasting gave a 20 minute talk, said something big is coming next month.

by wifibandit in

via /r/exjw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc7vhu8l88k.

paradisebeauty

they did such a lame job with the Jesus videos at this year's convention.

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4 versions of Jesus resurrection- all different

by purrpurr in

i've been reading more and studying about the bible .

it was brought to my notice that out of the four different versions of jesus resurrection they do not back each other up.

instead they contradict each other a lot.

paradisebeauty

a series of 4 videos, explains everything, including what the word about Mary grasping to Jesus means in greek.

This is the video about after the resurrection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5j_ZDwJSwE

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Jehovah's Witness Leader: There's a 'Spiritual Dilemma' in Reporting Sexual Abuse

by defender of truth in

the article is a good summary to show people who are too busy to read the transcript.

the main points are covered, without jackson's waffling... this is my favourite quote:.

jackson also testified that while there havent been any particular discussion among church leadership about apologizing to victims of sexual abuse, its perceivable that they might consider doing so.

paradisebeauty

The Gb is bringing reproach on God's name.

I wonder how long will God stand them any more....

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Jesus is not Michael the Archangel here is why

by paradisebeauty in

one of the biggest missunderstanding and unbiblical teaching of the jw's is that jesus is michael the archangel.

here is what proffessor anthony buzzard has to say about this:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puqzffyxno0.

paradisebeauty

@ Vidqun

But even if he did hold the rank of angel at one time, that has changed. He has received a promotion and now holds the rank of king.

This is another flaw in jw doctrine - the Bible clearly stated that after the sacrifice and resurrection Jesus was elevated to a higher rank, received a "promotion".

But if Jesus was the first creation of God, in fact a co-creator, since all things were created through him, and after resurrection he turned back to life in heaven a became chef angel, what kind of promotion did he really receive. In jw view he already participated in the creation of the angels, he was already the first being created even before coming to earth.

Also, jw's fail to recognize a very important theme in Paul's letter - the new creation. The idea of new creation, new man, an eternal, indestructible being that never existed before and was new, new created by God and Jesus at the resurrection became the first born of this kind of being. In colossians 1:18 he is also named the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Strangely, jw's admit that "anointed ones" will be a new creation. But there are so many verses that say the anointed ones will be made similar to or in the image of the resurrected Jesus. (2 cor 3:18, 1 cor 15:42-58, Romans 8:29, Romans 6:5). But still, jw's say Jesus was resurrected as an archangel, while the anointed ones will be a new creation.

This can not be, if Jesus is an angel, anointed ones will also be angels, and here you come in contradiction with Hebrews 2:5 that is analyzed by prof. buzzard in the video above. - the usual circle "logic" of the jw doctrine...