this is a question on old doctrine of jw's.
before they came up with the "great crowd" "revelation", where did they preached that the anointed ones will be?
because if they preached it will be in heaven, how did they understood that the prophecies about the earth will be fulfilled?
This is a question on old doctrine of jw's.
Before they came up with the "great crowd" "revelation", where did they preached that the anointed ones will be? Because if they preached it will be in heaven, how did they understood that the prophecies about the earth will be fulfilled?
And, if all their hope was in heaven (because they only had the anointed class back then), how did their hope differ from the catholic one?
people tell me all sorts of different opinions.
i seem to feel a constant feeling of dread and anxiety.
the possibility of god existing scares me but so does the possibility of him not.
From what I read, I see some people feel this way because maybe there is this thought:
"If God is not with the jw's, is He at all?"
I want to tell you that jw's are not special at all as a religion / cult. They have, just like any other religion / cult true doctrines mixed with false ones, they have Gnostic ideas, pagan origins for some, they used and still use pagan symbols.
So please do not think that if god is not in the jw org, He is not at all.
God has nothing to do with big religious organizations. God deals with people not with organizations!
God gave us the Bible and Jesus said the helper, Holy spirit, will be with us until He comes back. Jesus is our mediator and we have direct access to God, we need no organization. We have everything we need to get close to God, wherever we are, whoever we are.
Weekly going to a "church" or "preaching" does not get you closer to God. You can only get close to him when you are alone with Him.
people tell me all sorts of different opinions.
i seem to feel a constant feeling of dread and anxiety.
the possibility of god existing scares me but so does the possibility of him not.
He loves you. What God wants is that Him and people would be close again.
However, I noticed smth, I think our relationship with out father, physical father, the immage we have our our father, influences the way we see God....
But God is not like our parents, and not like the wt pictures Him!!!
The watchtower created an image of god who is always demanding, like you can never satisfy Him, like no matter what you do, you do not do enough .... God is not like that!!!
why such a difference between jew and gentiles, so that the jew is at once.
recognized, no matter what race he lives among.. and how did the jews come to have such strange traditions setting apart, racially.
and religiously from gentiles???.
It was important to have a pure adn for the appearance of Messiah, and the law covenant was a mirror of the new covenant.
Through Jesus there is no difference.
i found this article, about a woman who had foster kids and she tortured and abused them, the article says she was a jw.
she was in jail for 12 years, now she is released .... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2993067/made-sleep-barn-eat-vomit-suffer-vicious-beatings-uk-s-sadistic-mother-never-let-jail-three-children-abused.html.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3233100/those-evil-eyes-never-change-victims-britain-s-sadistic-mother-speak-fury-torturer-seen-shopping-following-early-release-prison.html.
I found this article, about a woman who had foster kids and she tortured and abused them, the article says she was a JW.
She was in jail for 12 years, now she is released ...
today i attended a one-day assembly in my hometown.
i knew when it came time to read the afternoon expenses that it would be an incredibly high and ridiculous amount that was nowhere near the real expenses for that day.
sure enough, after lunch came the announcement.
or they raised the fee / witness attending
is this double talk or is it just me?
it's a comment in the sept 15, 2015 wt about higher education:.
11 today, we are blessed with much knowledge of jehovahs works of creation and the outworking of his purpose.
What they mean is:
"study the watchtower library and everything we publish"
They don't really want people to study the Bible...
This organization states that one does not need Jesus as a mediator to be saved ( the official doctrine says Jesus is not the mediator between God and other sheep, but only between God and 144000), but you must belong to this org and obey Gov Body in order to be saved..... how screwed up is this ?????
i used to talk weekly on skype, with a sister from another country.
i didn't tell her much about my research and change of beliefs, until today ... in the conversations some doctrines came up and i told her i don't believe 1914, first, then i went on to tell her that i also don't believe there are 2 classes of christians, that i did not believe the government of the kingdom will be in heaven while the kingdom en earth, that i believe the whole kingdom will be on earth, and that from what i read, jesus was pretty clear that he will come back to earth, visibly.
the "god always had an organization" dogma was dropped and i told her it is not true, out of 9000 years of human history, it's not sure there were 1000 years when god had a loyal organization ..... i did not plan to tell her all this things, but it just happened, and things came up in the conversation... and once i dropped one bomb i dropped them all .... she said i do not sound like i am one of the jehovah's witnesses any more ... and even though we ended the call with "see ya" i have the feeling i will not hear from her any more ... .
I used to talk weekly on skype, with a sister from another country.
I didn't tell her much about my research and change of beliefs, until today ... In the conversations some doctrines came up and I told her I don't believe 1914, first, then I went on to tell her that I also don't believe there are 2 classes of christians, that I did not believe the government of the kingdom will be in heaven while the kingdom en earth, that I believe the whole kingdom will be on earth, and that from what I read, Jesus was pretty clear that He will come back to earth, visibly.
The "God always had an organization" dogma was dropped and I told her it is not true, out of 9000 years of human history, It's not sure there were 1000 years when God had a loyal organization ....
I did not plan to tell her all this things, but it just happened, and things came up in the conversation... and once I dropped one bomb I dropped them all ...
She said I do not sound like I am one of the Jehovah's Witnesses any more ... and even though we ended the call with "see ya" I have the feeling I will not hear from her any more ...
I am sad, really sad ...
i subbled upon this very interesting article on the origins of the idea that jesus was an angel.
http://lhim.org/blog/2010/08/07/jesus-was-not-the-agent-of-the-genesis-creation/.
the begining od the article:.
I subbled upon this very interesting article on the origins of the idea that Jesus was an angel
http://lhim.org/blog/2010/08/07/jesus-was-not-the-agent-of-the-genesis-creation/
The begining od the article:
The idea of pre-existence originated with PLATO and was later developed by XENOCRATES (d.314 BC). In time, the first century Middle Platonic philosopher NUMENIUS introduced the idea of a 2nd transcendental entity between the Supreme Being and the universe. This entity, subordinate to the Supreme God, was called the Demiurge – meaning maker or builder. Because matter was viewed as evil God could not have any association with it. Only the Demiurge could deal with it and so he acted as builder or agent of creation.
The concept that Jesus had acted as agent of creation because he had existed in a different form prior to birth has been believed by many since the Christian philosopher Justin Martyr first used the word pre-existence with reference to Jesus in about 150 AD. However, Justin was a believer in the idea that Socrates and Plato were inspired by God. He had been thoroughly schooled in the Greek philosophical thinking of his day, including the thoughts of Numenius whose ideas he found attractive. With his mind so receptive, Justin found it easy to apply such ideas in his interpretation of the Christian Scriptures.
