science observes, studies and analyses the basic nature of all the components constituting the part of any experiment, follows the principle of cause and effect, and come out with equipments that would contribute to our comfort and save us lots of time and energyall of which are ultimately aimed at making life on this earth happier, longer and healthier, thus making this world a better place to live.. yet man day-by-day becomes more and more unhappy and discontented, and world is becoming bitter and bitter!
it means: though science is right in its details, it has gone wrong in its direction.
it failed to rightly judge and assess the true nature of its prime object (man) for whom it works.
Cofty,
When I said " Scientific community works almost like JWs, " I had in mind the plight of Albert Einstein. When he left the convention, and started talking like a messiah, he was treated like an apostate (as JWs treat apostates), and it's history Cofty too must be familiar.
If this is the sort of treatment Einstein himself received, you can imagine what would be the plight of ordinary scientists if they choose to speak in favor of God or soul.
i came across this after posting another iq video to a different topic.
interesting how much the jehovahs witnesses are featured ... but it is because they are a millenial cult with failed rapture prophecies:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chug6f0tnfg.
Thank you for that photo and summery.
here is the greatest irony of our timean organization that literally yells at the apostates is actually a personification of apostasy:.
1) if an organization takes the name witnesses of god, they must be (through their action) declared righteous and observers should testify: it is the truth, warns isaiah 43:9 (which is the verse immediately preceding isaiah 43:10 which jws takes as the basis of their name).
[an organization that made nearly 50 major changes in their teachings create the impression that god is not the same, but constantly is changing (contrast isaiah 43:10; james 1:17)].
Here is the greatest irony of our time—an organization that LITERALLY yells at the apostates is actually THE personification of apostasy:
1) If an organization takes the name “witnesses” of God, they must be (through their action) “declared righteous” and observers should testify: “It is the truth,” warns Isaiah 43:9 (which is the verse immediately preceding Isaiah 43:10 which JWs take as the basis of their name)
[An organization that made nearly 50 major changes in their teachings creates the impression that ‘God is not the same, but is constantly changing’ (contrast Isaiah 43:10; James 1:17), thus spreads, through their action, only UNTRUTH about God]
2) God’s feeding (physical and spiritual) arrangement is mainly through fruit-bearing trees. (Genesis 1:29, 30; compare Romans 1:20) All trees are symbols of doing good for the sake of goodness—especially fruit-bearing trees produce nutritious fruits (not for them) for others, a quality that would, if practiced, make humans “like God” which is the height of spirituality. (Mathew 5:44-48) Hence using a human agency like GB is apostate in origin (apostasy means ‘standing away’ from truth)
3) It’s not only that preaching is not needed (Mathew 5:14, 16; Romans 2:12-14) but it's also denounced (Mathew 7:22, 23). Yet their main activity is not only preaching, but also refusing to see own mistakes and the good of others, and harping on the mistakes of others. (Luke 6:39, 41)
Interestingly, Isaiah Chapter 43 itself is part of apostasy as it deals also with “burnt offerings and other sacrifices” (Isaiah 43:23) something God says “I did not speak with YOUR forefathers, nor did I command them ….. concerning the matters of whole burnt offering and sacrifice.” (Jeremiah 7:22)
science observes, studies and analyses the basic nature of all the components constituting the part of any experiment, follows the principle of cause and effect, and come out with equipments that would contribute to our comfort and save us lots of time and energyall of which are ultimately aimed at making life on this earth happier, longer and healthier, thus making this world a better place to live.. yet man day-by-day becomes more and more unhappy and discontented, and world is becoming bitter and bitter!
it means: though science is right in its details, it has gone wrong in its direction.
it failed to rightly judge and assess the true nature of its prime object (man) for whom it works.
Cofty,
I send you my good wishes.
science observes, studies and analyses the basic nature of all the components constituting the part of any experiment, follows the principle of cause and effect, and come out with equipments that would contribute to our comfort and save us lots of time and energyall of which are ultimately aimed at making life on this earth happier, longer and healthier, thus making this world a better place to live.. yet man day-by-day becomes more and more unhappy and discontented, and world is becoming bitter and bitter!
it means: though science is right in its details, it has gone wrong in its direction.
it failed to rightly judge and assess the true nature of its prime object (man) for whom it works.
Cofty,
Scientific community works almost like JWs. Yet more and more scientists are becoming apostates.
Here is one who wrote his ground-breaking article in PSYCHOLOGY TODAY:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentrism/201112/does-the-soul-exist-evidence-says-yes
Does The Soul Exist? Evidence Says ‘Yes’
New scientific theory recognizes life’s spiritual dimension
Published on December 21, 2011 by Robert Lanza, M.D. in Biocentrism
The reality of the soul is among the most important questions of life. Although religions go on and on about its existence, how do we know if souls really exist? A string of new scientific experiments helps answer this ancient spiritual question.
The idea of the soul is bound up with the idea of a future life and our belief in a continued existence after death. It's said to be the ultimate animating principle by which we think and feel, but isn't dependent on the body. Many infer its existence without scientific analysis or reflection. Indeed, the mysteries of birth and death, the play of consciousness during dreams (or after a few martinis), and even the commonest mental operations – such as imagination and memory – suggest the existence of a vital life force – an élan vital – that exists independent of the body.
Yet, the current scientific paradigm doesn't recognize this spiritual dimension of life. We're told we're just the activity of carbon and some proteins; we live awhile and die. And the universe? It too has no meaning. It has all been worked out in the equations – no need for a soul. But biocentrism – a new ‘theory of everything' – challenges this traditional, materialistic model of reality. In all directions, this outdated paradigm leads to insoluble enigmas, to ideas that are ultimately irrational. But knowledge is the prelude to wisdom, and soon our worldview will catch up with the facts.
Of course, most spiritual people view the soul as emphatically more definitive than the scientific concept. It's considered the incorporeal essence of a person, and is said to be immortal and transcendent of material existence. But when scientists speak of the soul (if at all), it's usually in a materialistic context, or treated as a poetic synonym for the mind. Everything knowable about the "soul" can be learned by studying the functioning of the brain. In their view, neuroscience is the only branch of scientific study relevant to understanding the soul.
Traditionally, science has dismissed the soul as an object of human belief, or reduced it to a psychological concept that shapes our cognitionof the observable natural world. The terms "life" and "death" are thus nothing more than the common concepts of "biological life" and "biological death." The animating principle is simply the laws of chemistry and physics. You (and all the poets and philosophers that ever lived) are just dust orbiting the core of the Milky Way galaxy.
As I sit here in my office surrounded by piles of scientific books, I can't find a single reference to the soul, or any notion of an immaterial, eternal essence that occupies our being. Indeed, a soul has never been seen under an electron microscope, nor spun in the laboratory in a test tube or ultra-centrifuge. According to these books, nothing appears to survive the human body after death.
While neuroscience has made tremendous progress illuminating the functioning of the brain, why we have a subjective experience remains mysterious. The problem of the soul lies exactly here, in understanding the nature of the self, the "I" in existence that feels and lives life. But this isn't just a problem for biology and cognitive science, but for the whole of Western natural philosophy itself.
Our current worldview – the world of objectivity and naïve realism – is beginning to show fatal cracks. Of course, this will not surprise many of the philosophers and other readers who, contemplating the works of men such as Plato, Socrates and Kant, and of Buddha and other great spiritual teachers, kept wondering about the relationship between the universe and the mind of man.
Recently, biocentrism and other scientific theories have also started to challenge the old physico-chemical paradigm, and to ask some of the difficult questions about life: Is there a soul? Does anything endure the ravages of time?
Life and consciousness are central to this new view of being, reality and the cosmos. Although the current scientific paradigm is based on the belief that the world has an objective observer-independent existence, real experiments suggest just the opposite. We think life is just the activity of atoms and particles, which spin around for a while and then dissipate into nothingness. But if we add life to the equation, we can explain some of the major puzzles of modern science, including the uncertainty principle, entanglement, and the fine-tuning of the laws that shape the universe.
Consider the famous two-slit experiment. When you watch a particle go through the holes, it behaves like a bullet, passing through one slit or the other. But if no one observes the particle, it exhibits the behavior of a wave and can pass through both slits at the same time. This and other experiments tell us that unobserved particles exist only as ‘waves of probability' as the great Nobel laureate Max Born demonstrated in 1926. They're statistical predictions – nothing but a likely outcome. Until observed, they have no real existence; only when the mind sets the scaffolding in place, can they be thought of as having duration or a position in space. Experiments make it increasingly clear that even mere knowledge in the experimenter's mind is sufficient to convert possibility to reality.
Many scientists dismiss the implications of these experiments, because until recently, this observer-dependent behavior was thought to be confined to the subatomic world. However, this is being challenged by researchers around the world. In fact, just this year a team of physicists (Gerlich et al, Nature Communications 2:263, 2011) showed that quantum weirdness also occurs in the human-scale world. They studied huge compounds composed of up to 430 atoms, and confirmed that this strange quantum behavior extends into the larger world we live in.
Importantly, this has a direct bearing on the question of whether humans and other living creatures have souls. As Kant pointed out over 200 years ago, everything we experience – including all the colors, sensations and objects we perceive – are nothing but representations in our mind. Space and time are simply the mind's tools for putting it all together. Now, to the amusement of idealists, scientists are beginning dimly to recognize that those rules make existence itself possible. Indeed, the experiments above suggest that objects only exist with real properties if they are observed. The results not only defy our classical intuition, but suggest that a part of the mind – the soul – is immortal and exists outside of space and time.
"The hope of another life" wrote Will Durant "gives us courage to meet our own death, and to bear with the death of our loved ones; we are twice armed if we fight with faith."
And we are thrice armed if we fight with science.
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science observes, studies and analyses the basic nature of all the components constituting the part of any experiment, follows the principle of cause and effect, and come out with equipments that would contribute to our comfort and save us lots of time and energyall of which are ultimately aimed at making life on this earth happier, longer and healthier, thus making this world a better place to live.. yet man day-by-day becomes more and more unhappy and discontented, and world is becoming bitter and bitter!
it means: though science is right in its details, it has gone wrong in its direction.
it failed to rightly judge and assess the true nature of its prime object (man) for whom it works.
Anyhow, what exWTslave said has something to ponder. Apply what he said to JWs, and see what happens!
JWs are quick to notice apostate tone from their members and practice disfellowshipping and shunning, yet they do not do the same with the Bible which has in its pages apostate thoughts also (Jeremiah 7:22; 8:8) For example, if God did not test Adam and Eve, then He has not said: “dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) Hence they too behave like the scientists who stick to the material aspect of man and leave out the more important aspect of his IMMATERIAL side.
Let each one go by his experience. My experience is that when the spirit departs, body becomes nothing more than trash.
god does not test anyone.
(james 1:14) hence any account claiming god as testing man (perfect or imperfect) will betray the signs of mans (not gods) thought!.
1) god asking adam not to eat of a particular fruit-bearing tree defies all logic as any fruit-bearing tree is a symbol of goodnessproducing nutritious food (not for themselves) for others; thus doing good for the sake of goodness, which is the very core-attribute of god himself (mathew 5:44-47; mark 10:18) hence eating [the principle] of a fruit-bearing tree would only make man like godsomething jesus himself commanded everyone to do!!!.
god does not test anyone.
(james 1:14) hence any account claiming god as testing man (perfect or imperfect) will betray the signs of mans (not gods) thought!.
1) god asking adam not to eat of a particular fruit-bearing tree defies all logic as any fruit-bearing tree is a symbol of goodnessproducing nutritious food (not for themselves) for others; thus doing good for the sake of goodness, which is the very core-attribute of god himself (mathew 5:44-47; mark 10:18) hence eating [the principle] of a fruit-bearing tree would only make man like godsomething jesus himself commanded everyone to do!!!.
‘God does not test anyone.’ (James 1:14) Hence any account claiming God as testing man (perfect or imperfect) will betray the signs of man’s (not God’s) thought!
1) God asking Adam not to eat of a particular fruit-bearing tree defies all logic as any fruit-bearing tree is a symbol of goodness—producing nutritious food (not for themselves) for others; thus doing good for the sake of goodness, which is the very core-attribute of God Himself (Mathew 5:44-47; Mark 10:18) Hence eating [the principle] of a fruit-bearing tree would only make man “like God”—something Jesus himself commanded everyone to do!!!
2) God asking Abraham to kill his son is something that God Himself says he would never do—“something that I had not commanded or spoken of, and that had not come up into my heart.” (Jeremiah 19:5)
glory of creator is that he has given us life and life support systems to enjoy the life to the full.
yet he doesnt want any glory for that nor thanks from ushence he remains away.
that means his life (or style of functioning) is the message (making all communicationoral or written unnecessary).
ablebodiedman, THANK you for that ROARING, RESOUNDING sentence!
"They have reached a time where the evidence all points to a creator and yet have to find some way of denying it."
there are numerous similarities between jesus and jehovahs witnesses.
to mention a few:.
1) both suspected they are anointed by god and started preaching work.. 2) both had some ambiguous references (which can be interpreted to suit any conclusion one likes to have) from the scriptures.. 3) friends and family members of both generally believed they were insane (mark 3:21), and religious experts attributed power of satan to the work being accomplished by both (mark 3:22).
