Posts by Alive!

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Kingdom Hall Upgrades

by stuckinlimbo in

hi all :) been a looooong time since i've been around.

anyways, i was wondering if the kingdom hall reno/upgrade scam is going on in australia as well?

the hall where i live apparently needs a complete gut and redo (admittedly the decor was horrid).

Alive!

Buy and sell. Buy and sell.

Do up, upgrade - spend hundreds of thousands on decor. Needless decor.

Our local baptist church has had the same building for the past 100 odd years - the interior is humble and simple.

The congregants dress simply, jeans, T-shirts - too interested in being Christians to faff about dressing up to the max.

The young never ever need to be counselled about indecent dress (unlike JW youth) as they are not into primping themselves up and trying to wear eye catching dress - they just show up like clean, fresh young people with no agenda.

They are wanting to do some renovations, but - funds to help an overseas village in Asia are the priority, providing decent housing and water resources.

I have seen hundreds and hundreds of thousands WASTED on refits when the existing hall was fine....this baptist church opened my eyes - filled to the brim, car parking awkward - they don't seem to over worry. They are more concerned with helping the community, spending efforts assisting the impoverished and needy - whilst the JWs have 'working bees' on their own buildings clean what is already perfectly clean.

Ugh.

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Contradicting Governing Body Members

by Illuminated in

so we've heard from three different governing body members this year regarding child sexual abuse.. the latest one on the rc admitted there's a sexual abuse problem within the cult, yet lett and morris swept the dirt under the carpet stating they have a great reputation as far as sex abuse is concerned, and pointed their fingers at "apostate lies".

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i'm left totally confused at the contradiction of this "organization"..

Alive!

Like you, something changed for me - hearing Jackson's incredible lie.

Many times, I have stood alone over a difficult issue in relation to explaining some tricky part of JW practice and doctrine - trembling inside a little, I'd attempt a fearless 'witness'.

I endangered relationships with non witness family and friends and looking back, I'm gobsmacked they still love me and don't hold my former bigoted stance against me.

I delivered and pushed literature written by men who I now realise are beyond all trust - And ( as I have long since realised) the recipient had every right to thrust that trashy illustrated piece of manipulative garbage back in my face as they gently pointed out that it misquoted and lied. I actually tried to defend it - as my weak mind believed this came from 'Jehovah's mouthpiece'.

Then we have Toole protest that he had no clear understanding of theocratic warfare.

I was nobody in the scheme of JW things - in a small city congregation - and I KNOW we ALL understood the terms of theocratic warfare. I was baptised circa 1990. How despicable of this agent of God to beg ignorance as he was baptised after 1957, after the written piece put before him at the commission.

How could he possibly miss 'understanding' this JW concept?

It was globally understood.

He lied. Didn't he?

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Phone call straight after the Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

straight after the commission ended today within minutes, the phone rang.

it was one of the people who are working on it.

firstly she established if i was alright and did i want to talk.. i said i was too tired and unhappy that geoffrey jackson managed to do some preaching....she said they were aware of that.

Alive!

Watching the WT representatives has been so liberating - they lied and used deceptive language.

The fact that Mr Jackson skirted around subjects, had not bothered to read BCGs testimony showed the 'genuiness' of his love. No excuse Mr Jackson.

It's not at all hard to see through these men. Shameful.

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Theocratic Warfare

by stuckinarut2 in

no doubt we noticed the royal commission ask vin toole (and i think terry o'brien) about the expression "theocratic warfare"?.

they were asked to explain it and what is meant to witnesses.. vin outrightly lied when he said he "had never heard of that expression!".

i remember him using that term in conversations and talks many times!!

Alive!

I haven't seen the video - did this representative for Jehovah via the WTBTS really say he'd never heard the expression 'theocratic warfare' ? Really?

What a liar - all JWs KNOW this expression and it's meaning in relation to communicating with the 'world'.

I feel so sick that I trusted these liars and their ridiculous leadership.

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Bumbling idiots..... RC & JW broadcast

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

one of the contributing factors to me leaving was the realisation we were being led by idiots.

bethel life reinforced that, middle aged ego's trying to suck up to brooklyn.

ray franz book was a final nail for me, because he described the same incompetence along with the same ego's.

Alive!

Post Script - I turned my life over to these 'shephards' having been sold 'we are different' to other religions - if we are in the final part of the days, one would hope for people to be able to say ' God is truly amongst you people'.

Forgive me, but in the end, I simply couldn't coerce other humans to follow these earthly leaders who do not give me a sense of security and well being in their pastoral care....I can handle imperfect individual traits, but not collective deception, arrogance and lack of care for the conscience of their flock...

To follow these self acclaimed brothers of Christ - I must carry the load of their deceptive tricks and ultimately be like them - no thanks. Really, no thanks.

Am I much happier not being with the 'close association of brothers' ? Not yet - I'm grieving and having struggles with the hurt.

Hurt that is the result of losing over 25 years of my ordered life - it wasn't all bad - at all!

But, we cannot live a lie.

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Bumbling idiots..... RC & JW broadcast

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

one of the contributing factors to me leaving was the realisation we were being led by idiots.

bethel life reinforced that, middle aged ego's trying to suck up to brooklyn.

ray franz book was a final nail for me, because he described the same incompetence along with the same ego's.

Alive!

There were countless uncomfortable moments for me which led to the final realisation that I couldn't 'do' this anymore - and one outstanding stomach churning, panic inducing moment was when I laid eyes on that illustration depicting Jehovah's organisation - the GB sitting around a boardroom table seated in deluxe Pullman directors chairs - down to the hard stack chairs of elders....and so on ( and the message of 'down to' was miserably clear by the descending quality of furniture)

The dreadful TV broadcasts and now, the Royal Commission - no sign of earnest and open concern regarding true collaboration to resolve internal issues, just bumbling evasive answers and a foolishly arrogant and defensive stance.

Yes OP, the position of the RC is to bring a compliant set of standards into the handling of child abuse investigations within religious institutions - the GB has totally missed the point.

Humilty? Ha!

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Biblical Proof that JW Elders can not have Jehovah's or Jesus Spirit

by GodZoo in

something just occured to me.. like a lightening bolt in fact.

matthew 10:19 just popped into my head... new american standard bible 18 and you will even be brought before governors and kings for my sake, as a testimony to them and to the gentiles.

19 "but when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say.

Alive!

Ashamed to have been a JW - re Joe Bello's statement that he had said 'why would you want to drag Jehovah's name through the mud?' - he said he was just thinking aloud.......

Bullshit - we ALL know this phrase and can well imagine it being said....

Royal Commission - these men are prepared to lie for their 'God of Truth' like no other......

How arrogant not to care enough to find out what the Royal Commission is all about - so little care for the victims....yet 'Joe' a qualified 'shephard' has no idea.....because ...Joe Bello is a victim himself - and is representative of many 'qualified men' in the organisation - please, slam the organisation hard - please.

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i'm stupid, right?

by embarrassed in

i am on here as another member, but even with a username and not revealing my identity, i am still too embarrassed to use it.

had to make up a new one.

that being said.... my boyfriend is watching pornography, and it seriously hurts my feelings.

Alive!

You are not stupid.

You are doing "life" with a difficult and possibly dangerous person who will have a big effect in your life, your potential and growth.

In some ways, it can grow you - and in other ways it could inhibit and destroy all that you can be.

But, NO - you are not stupid.

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The Religion Of Rejection - And Now That Includes Me

by dubstepped in

due to some recent developments i find myself in a new place, and at this point i've lost all of my family and fri....oh that's right, i never really had any friends in the organization anyway.

just people that wanted something from me and a few people that i would invite to do things that occasionally said yes.

the recent rejections of me got me thinking, so let's take a rejection inventory.. i had to reject all of the holidays when my parents started studying.. i had to reject any worldly friends that i already had.. even family became rejected, and the new religion had some place in that.. i was rejected in school and bullied all of the time, not just because we were poor and i made good grades, but for jw reasons too.

Alive!

Thank you for your post. Wonderful.

I always knew that there are "worldly" people who have much decency and goodness in abundance - but of course " Oh they don't love Jehovah."

Well, we all know the stink of the branding JW style that apparently represents Christ.

I sense something extraordinary happened, so I have faith in the appearance of Jesus on this earth - and a divine element that forms the ABC of that faith.

Glad to be a member of the human race and seeing the lovely qualities in folk, and embracing that.

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having a dark night of the soul

by Miss Behaving in

jw
friends

i'm writing this here because i need someone to talk to, and you're the only folks i know who will understand.

most of the time i think i'm a pretty happy and together person, but lately, i'll see something that reminds me of my family and i'll spontaneously start crying.

i miss them so much and my heart keeps breaking, and even though i have kind people i work and volunteer with, i feel so incredibly lonely sometimes.

Alive!

Look at you :-) Just take a look at dear you.

Look at your courage and wonderful hope to make a difference.

Your loss of family and friends is NOT your choice - it is theirs.

Sadly, THEY endorse lies, cheating and emotional blackmail - probably without realising it?

Keep true.

In just a short while, my life had changed so much, so much from when I felt very broken.

I love that proverb which may be from Persian culture:

"this too will pass"

It can be applied to every single second of our lives - the wonderfully exquisite, the good, bad and ugly.

Be good ;-)