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Damn! Jesus had a BEARD! What do we do now?

by JanH in

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questions from readers (w68 5/12 p. 86-8).

* when jesus christ was a man on earth, did he wear a beard?-k.a., u.s.a.. biblical evidence is the most reliable testimony to be found on this question, and a recent careful review of what it says indicates that jesus did indeed have a beard.. jesus, born a jew, "came to be under law" and he fulfilled the law.

(gal.

AGuest

Hi, JanH... and may you have peace!

May I add that my Lord was not only under the Law Covenant which restricted the cutting of facial hair, but he was the TRUE 'Nazarite' in that 'no razor' could come upon his head at all?

Some might find that hard to believe, in that John the Baptist was a Nazarite and did not drink wine ( Nazarite restriction), and yet, my Lord drank wine. Why?

First, because one BECAME a Nazarite two different ways, and the 'law' applied a few different ways:

1. One was a Nazarite because GOD made him one (Samson, John the Baptist), or

2. One CHOSE to be Nazarite by means of a vow. My Lord was the latter ("I have come to do your will, oh JAH, in the scroll it was written about me...")

Some were Nazarites their entire life; some took a vow for a specified period of time. Some took a vow, broke it, and had to start all over, but only had to fill the vow 'period' (1 year, 2 years, etc.) that they had vowed. The count just simply started over.

Second, a most importantly, he drank to show the Pharisees the hypocrisy of their judging. He was a Nazarite by means of keeping the law ON HIS HEART and not by making an 'outward appearance' of keeping it, as they did (wearing scripture cases and long beards and long fringes, etc.). Big whoop! They LOOKED good on the OUTSIDE, but inside were 'full of dead men's bones'.

Like the Pharisees who based 'spirituality' on what they could SEE... so, too, the folks of the WTBTS have been taught to do. They judge spirituality by what a person LOOKS like... not what is IN them (as if they knew anyway). They base their perception on meeting and convention attendance, field service, elder and ministerial servantship, pioneering, etc., and will deem a single mother with three or four kids who can barely get herself fed and dressed and so doesn't make all the meetings, as 'spiritually weak'.

All while harboring and placing in positions of SPIRITUAL oversight men who molest children.

Ah, the WTBTS. Can always see the 'straw'... but never the 'rafter'.

Peace to you, JanH!

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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Bible only for anointed

by mpatrick in

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when i would question my mother about certain scriptures, she would always make the comment that the bible is only written for the 144,000. is there any truth to that?

(i know there isn't, but is that what the jw's teach?

) when she said that, i was just blown away because of all the years i was a witness, i had never heard that.

AGuest

Hello, dear mpatrick... and may you have peace!

The 'bible' (a book of little books) was compiled by a group of men who wanted to 'exact law'. The SCRIPTURES, however (Moses, the Prophets, Psalms and the Revelation), were written and compiled BY... and FOR... those of the Household of God, Israel.

Today, that 'household' means those who have been 'chosen by', 'anointed with' and are 'taught by'... holy spirit... as WELL as those that are SEEKING entry into such household by means of that promised holy spirit. That 'household' includes the 144,000... taken from among the sons of FLESHLY Israel... AND... a 'great crowd' which NO MAN was/is able to number. TOGETHER, these make up ONE FLOCK... the 'temple' of God... the Household, Israel.

Ephesians 2:19-21

The ONLY purpose of the scriptures is:

To 'test' the 'inspired' expression (if someone tells you they were inspired to speak something, the 'scriptures' should agree...), if you cannot put faith in such expression... and

A 'tutor' to lead you TO the 'Truth'... not replace him. Once he has revealed himself to you... you no longer NEED the 'scriptures', unless, as I stated, you are for some reason unable to put FAITH... in what you 'hear'... either FROM the spirit... or from 'earthling' man.

'Israel' ONCE was a nation of people born in the manner of flesh. They were 'Israel' simply by means of being descendants of Abraham, by means of his son, Isaac, and HIS son, Jacob. It was a 'bloodline', determined by red hemoglobin. Such people were REQUIRED to adopt the Law Covenant, adhere to it, live by it, and be circumcised as a 'sign' of belonging to it. In addition, people who were NOT Israel by blood, could BECOME Israel, by means of circumcision and adoption of and adherence to the Law Covenant.

'Israel' NOW... is a nation of people 'born'... as the result of a promise, the 'promised' holy spirit. ANYONE can be in that household, simply by means of adopting the NEW Covenant, the 'law' of love, exercising FAITH, and being obedient to that spirit. Such obedience does not require a circumcision of the flesh, but one of the HEART... the 'cutting away' of the flesh FROM the heart. This means walking by FAITH... and SPIRIT... and not by sight and flesh.

While the first covenant was limited to those who possessed Abraham's blood and adopted the Law Covenant mediated by MOSES... the NEW covenant is open to any who ask for, received, and possess GOD'S 'blood'... holy spirit... which is 'poured out' by means of and through Christ... and adopt the NEW Covenant... mediated by CHRIST.

It is not as 'burdensome' as the Law Covenant, and unlike the former, which was a law 'leading to death', this one leads to 'life'. However, it, too, is not 'easy'... for in order to reach 'the promised land' of NEW Jerusalem... one must 'pick up his TORTURE stake/pole'... and continually follow the Lamb. One must remain a 'virgin', in that one has only ONE 'leader', the Christ, and not a pope or pastor or GB or what have you.

And truly, since 'earthling' man IS physical flesh, living the law WITHOUT having it 'written' and someone PHYSICAL to see and say, "Walk THIS way"... is much more difficult. It is easier to attend five meetings a week, put in 10-30 hours of field service, attend a couple conventions, participate in a 'ministry' school, and have people tell you that based on those 'numbers'... you are 'spiritual'.

Why is it EASIER? Because those things don't require that you show love, pity, compassion, mercy, kindness, forgiveness, empathy, mildness, self-control, long-suffering... or joy. Which are the 'weightier' things of the law. Indeed, it is MUCH easier to 'strain out gnats and gulp down camels'... than it is to 'love JAH... with your WHOLE heart, your WHOLE soul, your WHOLE mind and your WHOLE strength... and to love your neighbor AS yourself.'

And so, 'earthling' man 'oversteps the commandments of God', which IS to have love among ourselves, with the 'traditions and doctrines of men. 'Cause it's 'easier' that way.

I bid you peace!

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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Calling all bible experts !!!

by thinker in

question:.

genesis says that on the first day god creates lightand divides the light from the dark.

then on day four he creates the sun, moon, and stars to divide the light from the dark.

AGuest

May you all have peace!

My Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, is my Father's 'first-born' in that he IS the 'first-born' from the 'dead'. He is the FIRST to have died in the flesh and been resurrected back to life... INDEFINTELY... as a spirit... snd thus, the FIRST to receive 'life'... never to die again. All others who received a resurrection... died again.

My Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, is my Father's 'only-begotten'... in that he is the only son 'produced' of my Father's FREE wife, Jerusalem Above... the rest of us being 'produced' as sons THROUGH that One. It is the same as when Isaac, Abraham's SECOND son, born AFTER Ishmael, was still called his 'only-begotten' son, for Isaac was Abraham's ONLY son by means of his TRUE wife, Sarah.

Abraham's other son, Ishmael, who was 'produced' FIRST, was also an 'only-begotten' son, for Abraham had no other children by Hagar. However, Isaac was the HEIR in the household, because Isaac's MOTHER... was Abraham's wife. Hagar... was HER servant, not Abraham's.

In the same manner, my Father had another son, ADAM... who was 'produced'... from HIS mother, the 'slave' Earth... first.

My Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... created nothing, but was the INSTRUMENT by which my Father, JAH OF ARMIES, created the physical realm. It is like sourdough bread... you make one batch (my Lord)... and using 'good bacteria' from that batch you make all subsequent batches. However, not all subsequent batches as pure or 'good' as the original batch, for along the way some 'contamination' can set in... due to 'bad bacteria' (perhaps a 'worker' didn't wash his/her hands or were sterile 'clothing').

Adam, who was created BY MEANS of my Lord... and thus 'produced' from 'good' bacteria... introducted 'bad bacteria'... or 'corruption'... by means of his 'unclean hands'... SIN... into the 'batch'.

I, myself, SJ, have spoken it to you, just as I have heard it from my Lord, the Son of God, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, and I give all praise and glory TO that One... and to my Father, JAH OF ARMIES.

A slave of Christ,

SJ

21

United Nations Getting A Little On The Side...

by messenger in

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i find it interesting the new found love the wt appears to have for the un.

in the two latest articles, july 22, awake and august 1, wt, they make reference to the good policies of the un and it's universal declaration of human rights.

as my memory serves, the harlot represents babylon the great (aka, false religion, aka, all religion except jw's) that commits fornication with the wild beast (aka, un representing all kingdoms of the earth) does this bring on a "new light" adjustment in wt doctrine?

AGuest

Dearest Ofmad... may you have peace!

Uh, you are apparently forgetting that, according to the WTBTS's current 'light', the United Nations IS 'the disgusting' thing; however, it is not 'standing in a holy place' at this time. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Right.

The 'disgusting thing standing in a holy place' is no more the United Nations... that it was the Romans. Jerusalem fell as a result of such 'disgusting thing'... not Rome. DUH!

The 'disgusting thing'... is the 'man of lawlessness'. He/it is 'disgusting' because it is 'unclean'... or not cleansed... or without 'the bath that cleanses'... and thus, without HOLY SPIRIT. It is 'disgusting' in that it has deigned to enter into the 'temple' of God, however, without BEING 'cleansed'.

1 Corinthians 3:16

It is those NON-anointed who have sat themselves in a place of AUTHORITY over the 'temple' of God (as represented by those WITH a 'cleansing' by means of holy spirit), a HOLY place and thus CLEAN... who represent the 'man of lawless'... the DISGUSTING thing STANDING in a 'holy' place.

Today, that 'entity' is the ENTIRE conglomerate of... The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of the Religious Order of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses and Kingdom Service... Incorporated. It is the ENTITY to which, by "one thought" and the authority of Satan, the 'kings of the earth'... those false prophets who call themselves the GB and 'anointed' and receive authority WITH the 'wild beast'... eventually give their 'authority' over TO.

That 'giving' over started gradually, around the turn of the century when a 'corporation' was formed... continued to the point where an 'earthly hope' was established and the Household of God was TURNED OVER to an 'earthly hope' (my kingdom is NO part of this world...), continued to 1935 when the 'shutting up of the kingdom of heavens began ('it appears that all the anointed have been chosen and sealed'), continued to 1972 with the creation of six 'committees' to 'oversee' the 'work' (but in fact, were 'overseeing' the Household of God... WIHOUT any 'authority' FROM God)... and culminated in October 2000... when the GB 'resigned' and gave 'all authority' to the corporation(s).

Their members have just not felt the full 'brunt' of it, yet. But... they will. When that 'disgusting' thing... truly starts 'causing desolation'.

Revelation 17:12, 13
Daniel 8:10-12

My advice? To those who still associate themselves with BABYLON THE GREAT... the HARLOT... the so-called 'ANOINTED'... those of 'spiritual' Israel who have committed and CONTINUE to commit FORNICATION with the 'kings of the earth' and not remained true to her ONE 'husbandly owner'...

GET OUT OF HER! IF... you do not want to share in her 'sins'... AND receive part of her plagues... get OUT of her! QUIT 'touching'... the 'unclean' thing. And in that case, you will be taken in as 'sons'.

A TRUE servant to the Household of God, Israel, and a TRUE slave of Christ,

SJ

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Calling all bible experts !!!

by thinker in

question:.

genesis says that on the first day god creates lightand divides the light from the dark.

then on day four he creates the sun, moon, and stars to divide the light from the dark.

AGuest

I'm sorry, Josh, but...

What happened to the TRUTH... that YOU (the 'messiah') supposedly spoke when YOU (the 'messiah') said that the Father had made ALL things known to you... except 'the day and the hour'?

I find it absolutely INTRIGUING that you are evidently ENMESHED in trying to discern the 'day and hour'... yet, do not know the truth of the division between 'light' (you, according to John 8:12), and 'darkness'... (the Adversary)... and must therefore resort to speech such as 'my 0.02' and 'what I think'.

My advice? Get a 'life', NOW, Josh... because your FUTURE... doesn't look too 'bright'.

John 5:40

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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Calling all bible experts !!!

by thinker in

question:.

genesis says that on the first day god creates lightand divides the light from the dark.

then on day four he creates the sun, moon, and stars to divide the light from the dark.

AGuest

Hello, dear 'thinker'... and may you have peace!

I am not a Bible 'expert', but it has been granted me by the One who IS... to answer your question.

Read the following in the order set forth:

1 John 2:10
John 8:12
John 15:4-7
John 6:56
John 1:9
John 3:19
1 John 2:9
1 John 3:10
Genesis 1:4
Matthew 19:17
Genesis 1:4
Genesis 3:15
Galatians 3:16
Galatians 4:26
Revelation 12:17
Matthew 5:16
1 Thessalonians 5:5
1 John 2:6
1 John 2:9
1 John 3:10

The 'light' of Genesis 1:4, is the TRUE Light 'that came into the world'. By means of that 'Light', my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, the Son of the Holy One of Israel, JAH OF ARMIES, we, too, can be 'beget', or 'generated'... by means of an outpouring and receipt of Holy Spirit... thus, we can call him 'Eternal Father'... because we are 'sons'... of Light. And as such, we are to let our 'light'... 'shine'... 'before men'.

We have an Adversary, however, the Darkness, who also begets 'sons'. Because we are children of 'light'... and his 'sons' are 'children of darkenss'... there is a DIVISION... or 'enmity'... between Light... the SPIRITUAL 'luminaries' (Revelation 21:23)... and Darkness... whose 'lamp' is 'very dark indeed'.

This enmity began on the 'first' day... LONG before the PHYSICAL 'luminaries' that are the sun and moon were created on the 'third' day.

I hope this helps you gain understanding, for I have spoken it to you just as I myself heard it from my Lord.

I bid you peace, and I am...

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

SJ

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The "Coming" Anointed

by kes152 in

larsguy said:.

"if your messiah didn't appear in 1992, kes, then he ain't coming, or at least he's not the one promised in the bible.".

so tell me... where is that messiah that appeared in 1992?

AGuest

See, here's the 'thing', Joshua... YOU said:

"Don't forget the ten virgins. All of them together went out to meet the Messiah, so all of them had good intentions. And the foolish virgins very diligently bought oil and returned to enter the banquet room of the wedding feast. So these are Christians who want to get into the kingdom and they think they belong in the kingdom. BUT...they did not show sufficient intense interest in scriptural matters that would have kept their lights burning, therefore, they missed out and ultimately the Messiah tells them: "I don't know you, get away from me..."

IF you recall... the first part of your statement... 'all of them together went out the Messiah'... was something YOU didn't even know a little over a year ago. Do you recall a 'discussion' that you... and I... had... where you were 'enlightened' on this issue? Do you recall my Lord directing ME... to tell YOU... that ALL of the virgins went out to meet my Lord, and that ALL had 'oil', but on the 'discreet' ones had oil in their 'lamps' AS WELL as in their 'receptacles'? Do you recall this discussion, Joshua?

And do you also recall that I was permitted to tell you that the 'oil' is the 'oil of exultation', that which ANOINTS such 'virgins' and thus, is HOLY SPIRIT... which you could not, at that time grasp... and evidently still don't now?

And so you recall how many times over the past almost two years that YOU... have said to ME... 'oh, okay, NOW I understand it; I hadn't looked at it that way; thank you for helping me to see that'? Do you recall those statements, Joshua?

If then, YOU are Shiloh... how is that I... a SLAVE in the household am used to teach YOU... the so-called 'MASTER'?

I have no problem with you being a 'christ', Joshua, insofar as being a member of the BODY of my Lord. But you are NOT the 'head', dear one. By NO means. How do I know? Because:

(1) I know the 'voice' of my Lord... and YOUR 'voice' is not HIS 'voice'... for YOUR 'voice' is that of a 'stranger', and my Lord SAID that his sheep would not LISTEN to the voice of strangers... because they know HIS voice; and

(2) I KNOW my Lord... and I am KNOWN by my Lord... as I am also KNOWN by my Father... and none of US... know YOU.

So, get a grip. Or don't. For as I revealed to you some time ago, I have been released from any 'bloodguilt' with regard to you WAY back when. You are only imitating what you have already heard... from me... and twisting it to fit your personal agenda. Cut it out.

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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WTs new light on being anointed???

by JUSTAMOM in

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just read this in the latest wt july 1st 2001 page 11 par#14:.

"if we live according to god's word, we receive jehovah's holy spirit.".

there ya have it.. all ya need is a bible, live it and your anointed.. they now determine who receives holy spirit.. wow!.

AGuest

Dearest Francoise... may you have peace!

Dear one, I would LOVE nothing more than to agree with you... but, unfortunately, I cannot. God's spirit does not operate in 'the sons of darkness', dear one. And the 'fruits' of my Father's spirit cannot reside in a 'unclean' vessel. Do I mean unclean as in adultery, fornication, homosexuality, etc.? No, not 'weakness of the flesh', but unclean as in envies, jealousies, hatreds, hypocrisy, deceit, etc. 'Leaven', which is the 'fruit' of a true lack of love... which results in 'lawlessness'.

Look around. Read the paper. Watch TV. There's a LOT of 'uncleanness' out there. And I ain't talking about Waco, Oklahoma City, Columbine, Tianamen Square, etc., but rather the 'hearts' that lead UP to such things... the 'cause'... not so much as the 'effect'.

I bid you peace,

SJ, a slave of Christ, who, like my Father does not wish ANY to die, but ALL to attain to repentance, but knows, unfortunately, that not all will... for many 'lie in the power of the wicked one'. Too bad, too bad.

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The "Coming" Anointed

by kes152 in

larsguy said:.

"if your messiah didn't appear in 1992, kes, then he ain't coming, or at least he's not the one promised in the bible.".

so tell me... where is that messiah that appeared in 1992?

AGuest

Uh-uh...

"Then if anyone says to you, 'Look! Here is the Christ,' or 'There! (in Arcadia, California)... DO NOT BELIEVE IT. For false 'christs' and false prophets will arise and give great 'signs' (in the clouds?) and wonders (nights in a dumpster, homosexuality?)... so as to mislead... IF POSSIBLE... even... the chosen ones."

[QUOTE]I don't publicly meet with my disciples nor acknowledge them.[\QUOTE]

"My sheep KNOW my voice."

"EVERY eye will see him..."

"I no longer call you slaves, because a slave DOES NOT KNOW
what his master does. But I call you... FRIENDS, because
ALL the things I hear from my Father, I make known to you."

Leave off from this imposter, kes152... and 'quit touching the unclean thing'. For what sharing does LIGHT... have with DARKNESS? His mind is made up. A 'blind guide' is what he is. Therefore, let him 'be'. Matthew 15:14

Peace to you,

Your servant, sister and fellow slave of Christ,

Shel

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WTs new light on being anointed???

by JUSTAMOM in

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just read this in the latest wt july 1st 2001 page 11 par#14:.

"if we live according to god's word, we receive jehovah's holy spirit.".

there ya have it.. all ya need is a bible, live it and your anointed.. they now determine who receives holy spirit.. wow!.

AGuest

Uh, You Know... again, it is YOU that is in error. The operative word here, stated by your dear leaders... is 'RECEIVE' holy spirit. Not 'possess it' or 'have it all along'. Pay attention, YK.

Samson WAS 'anointed'. How do I know? Because he was 'born in the manner... of a PROMISE'... and not in the manner according to the flesh. And it was God's spirit COMING UPON HIM that ratified... and 'anointed' him. DUH!

The word 'christ'... MEANS 'anointed', which means for purposes of Hebrew 'chosen', from which is derived the word 'messiah'... or 'mischaJah'... which means 'chosen (anointed) of Jah'. DUH!

Samson, was a 'christ', as were Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, the Prophets, the Apostles, the disciples... and yours truly... in that the very fact that God's spirit CAME UPON HIM... as it did my Lord when coming up from the Jordan... indicated that HE was 'anointed'. DUH!

ALL were 'chosen'... AND RECEIVED... holy spirit. Thus, ALL were/are... are 'anointed' or 'chosen'... BY that spirit. For when you 'receive' God's spirit, you are 'anointed' by that spirit, just as David was (and which was symbolized by oil being poured on him), and my Lord (which was symbolized by a dove coming down UPON him). That is why holy spirit is CALLED, 'the OIL of exultation'. DUH!

You are such an imposter! If YOU were who you say YOU are... you would have at least known THIS. DUH!

A TRUE slave of Christ, who says that YOU... are from YOUR 'father', the Devil... for like THAT one, you, too, have not 'stood fast in the Truth'!

SJ