nomoreguilt:Back in the 70's we had an elder in our congregation that began to compare the NWT to another bible. He and his wife would sit during the meetings and use this bible," In Living English", I believe it was. I believe that was the "The Bible in Living English" by Steven Byington. The WTB&TS first published it for the members in 1972.
Invetigator74
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Deceiving new Bible studies. The stunning craftiness of WTBT again.
by hamsterbait inhas anybody still got copies of the old "truth" book, the "live forever " book, and "bible teach" book?.
i threw them out, and regret it now because a sudden chilling realization came to me posting on another thread:.
do you remember how in the 70s we were told to encourage the new study to compare what the nwt says with what is in his own bible?
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A claim to Beth Sarim
by Gary1914 inmy great grandmother, who has been in the truth forever, just told us a funny story and i thought i would share it with all of you.. we were discussing judge rutherford and she said that she was living in california at the same time as rutherford was living in beth sarim.
the papers at that time ran an article about rutherford and that beth sarim had been purchased especially for moses, abraham and other old faithful servants.. well, one day a hobo came to the door and claimed that he was abraham and that he came to take possession of his home.
i don't know what rutherford was expecting but instead of welcoming this "prince" to his new home he called the authorities to take him away.
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Found this interesting :The interview with J.F. Rutherford that appeared in the San Diego Sun, March 15, 1930 "But how will you identify King David or any of the other representatives from God?' Rutherford was asked. 'I thought all that out before I wrote the deed,' the judge replied with a twinkle in his gray eyes. 'I realized the possibility of some old codger turning up bright and early some morning and declaring he was David. The men whom I have designated to test the identity of these men are officers of my societies and have consecrated themselves to the Lord, they will be divinely authorized to know impostors from the real princes.'" Time Magazine of Mar 31, 1930 wrote: "Judge Joseph Frederick Rutherford 60, lives in a ten room Spanish mansion, No 4440 Braeburn Rd, San Diego, Calif. Last week he deeded No 4440 Braeburn Road, and adjacent two car garage and a pair of automobiles to King David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthae, Samuel and sundry other mighties of ancient Palestine. Positive is he that they are shortly to reappear on earth, Said he: 'I have purposely landscaped the place with palm and olive trees so that these princes of the universe will feel at home ..". The San Diego Sun of Jan 9 1931 wrote: "A gaunt unshaven tramp has been the lone claimant for the $75,000 Southern Californian mansion of David, king of Israel, since it was deeded to the Biblical character a year ago. This was revealed today by Judge James Rutherford, temporary owner of the luxuriantly furnished Spanish type mansion at 440 Braeburn Rd in the exclusive Kensington Heights district. In one of the oddest deeds ever recorded, Rutherford, president of the International Bible Students Association and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, has placed in trust the magnificent estate for ancient kings and prophets of Israel. The slayer of Goliath and his companions may occupy the 10 room modern home with it's landscaped gardens and patio as soon as their credentials are approved by Rutherford and officials of his societies, divinely authorised to recognise them. One morning as I was going from the house to the garage, a queer looking creature approached me, tipped his dirty hat and cried 'Howdy Judge, I'm David' 'Go and tell that to the winds', I told him and he left without arguing the matter. I could see at a glance that he was not David. He didn't look like I knew David would look.' Asked how he expected David and his distinguished brethren to look, Rutherford, without hesitation, opened his huge Bible and pointed to a verse which said that the Princes of the Universe would be risen from the dead 'as perfect men'. 'I interpret that to mean', the tall dignified Judge declared, 'that David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jepthae, Joseph and Samuel will be sent here to wrench the world from Satan's grasp, clothed in modern garb as we are, and able, with little effort, to speak our tongue.' Rutherford pictured the arrival of the biblical delegation perhaps in frock coats, high hats, canes and spats. At Beth Sarim (House of Princes) as Rutherford has named his mansion, David will find the most modern appliances that science has devised. When the distinguished guests walk up the circular stairway to the second floor, they will find a large office with red leather chairs and shiny flat topped desk with inverted lighting. Even French telephones await the touch of the princes. Opening a wide door, the native sons of Palestine will behold a large bathroom, resplendent in shiny black tile with needle shower and an amply filled medicine chest. What a thrill giant shouldered Samson, who wrecked a palace with his bare fists might find in the gold safety razor and strop! Rutherford built the second floor bedroom, which he temporarily occupies, large in order to accommodate several of the expected owners. With wide pane windows that look out on the purple Cuyamacas to the East and California's first mission to the north, the bedroom is almost severe in it's furnishings. The rulers of the universe will have simple tastes, the judge apparently believes, although the austere end tables sported gaily covered fiction magazines. Rutherford has imported some Koniach, Wasser from Cologne, Germany to freshen the princely faces after shaving. A black skull cap hangs over one of the bedposts. The coming of David and his companions will be the greatest news story of the ages, Rutherford predicted. 'I am not a publicity seeker,' Rutherford said with a twinkle in his kindly brown eyes, 'but I feel that the world should know about their arrival. It will be a great news story.' Word of his 'House of king David' has reached into every corner of the world, the judge stated. 'Everywhere I went people asked me about this place,' Rutherford said. 'In Chicago a millionaire manufacturer offered to build another house for David, but I declined the offer. 'Literally thousands have driven here to see this place,' Rutherford continued. 'Many have come to the door and my secretary has shown them about the place.' The patio with it's silver pool and olive and palm trees is gay with flowers. Down toward the canyon, paths have been landscaped to allow David and his friends to walk in meditation. Many of the fruits and trees, native to their Palestine, will greet the rulers when they arrive. In the two car garage next door stands a new, yellow 16 cylinder coupe which will be turned over to the rulers along with all the personal property on the place. 'Everything will be theirs, the house, the land, the furnishings and even the clothes if they need them,' Judge Rutherford said. 'What will I do? Oh, don't worry about me. I'll manage somehow.' the judge smiled. He had another 'Watch Tower' residence on Staten Island and practically an entire floor at Bethel. The seven famous men will not have long to rest at their San Diego estate because they soon will lead the forces of the Lord to vanquish the minions of Satan at the battle of Armageddon, Rutherford believed. 'But they will win out. The Lord will punish the devil and will show that the preachers and the politicians have been giving the people false counsel,' Rutherford said confidently. Rutherford will sail May 9 for Europe where he will speak before conventions in Berlin, Paris and London." Inv.74
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Please help me find a quote from the W/T
by windsong ini found a quote from the w/t in regards to the kjv of the bible being the best version and then closed the page by accident and now cannot find it.
can any one give me the quote and the reference as well for this.
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I found something in the WT 1943 pg.94 stating the Authorized Version(KJV) and another version were the "best of all translations". I don't know how to download the copy I scanned to this sight.
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Please help me find a quote from the W/T
by windsong ini found a quote from the w/t in regards to the kjv of the bible being the best version and then closed the page by accident and now cannot find it.
can any one give me the quote and the reference as well for this.
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Windsong what book were you reading at the time you lost the page with the WT quote?
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International Bible Student's 1910 Convention Report on Ebay
by Invetigator74 ini noticed on ebay a 1910 assembly report is on auction.
why is there a great demand on auctions for these old wt.publication?
the pictures are quite interesting in that listing, but wouldn't they contain old light information?
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I noticed on Ebay a 1910 Assembly Report is on auction. Why is there a great demand on auctions for these old WT.publication? The pictures are quite interesting in that listing, but wouldn't they contain old light information? Just wondering .............
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I have in my hands "Report on Everlasting Good News" June-Sep 63
by jgnat inthe full cover reads, "report on 'everlasting good news' assembly of jehovah's witnesses around the world june 30-september 8, 1963", 192 pages.. it appears to be a report on each of the conventions that were held around the world at that time.
a little wordy for modern taste, but there's lots of neato pictures.. hubby is borrowing it from a friend.
is this document available elsewhere or as a scan?
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I went to the NYC/Yankee Stadium convention in July. I was 5 years old, so I don't remember much. My parents still have their Convention Report. I'll see if they'll let me borrow it.
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I just stumped our PO!!!
by The Last Nephilim ini have never seen this guy stumped on a bible topic or point before, but history was made today!!!
he and a soon-to-be elder were doing a shepherding call on my wife and i because we've missed weeks worth of meetings and had no service time for dec. he went through the usual lectures about how we're cutting off jehovah by missing meetings (because we all know god won't lift a finger for those who don't go to meetings, right?
) he gave some good illustrations- the guy really is a good teacher, it's just what he's teaching that's questionable.
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The Borg's version of this Scripture is as follows:Does Thomas’ exclamation at John 20:28 prove that Jesus is truly God? John 20:28 (RS) reads: “Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” There is no objection to referring to Jesus as “God,” if this is what Thomas had in mind. Such would be in harmony with Jesus’ own quotation from the Psalms in which powerful men, judges, were addressed as “gods.” (John 10:34, 35, RS; Ps. 82:1-6) Of course, Christ occupies a position far higher than such men. Because of the uniqueness of his position in relation to Jehovah, at John 1:18 (NW) Jesus is referred to as “the only-begotten god.” (See also Ro, By.) Isaiah 9:6 (RS) also prophetically describes Jesus as “Mighty God,” but not as the Almighty God. All of this is in harmony with Jesus’ being described as “a god,” or “divine,” at John 1:1 (NW, AT). The context helps us to draw the right conclusion from this. Shortly before Jesus’ death, Thomas had heard Jesus’ prayer in which he addressed his Father as “the only true God.” (John 17:3, RS) After Jesus’ resurrection Jesus had sent a message to his apostles, including Thomas, in which he had said: “I am ascending . . . to my God and your God.” (John 20:17, RS) After recording what Thomas said when he actually saw and touched the resurrected Christ, the apostle John stated: “These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.” (John 20:31, RS) So, if anyone has concluded from Thomas’ exclamation that Jesus is himself “the only true God” or that Jesus is a Trinitarian “God the Son,” he needs to look again at what Jesus himself said (vs. 17) and at the conclusion that is clearly stated by the apostle John (vs. 31). I'm pretty sure the PO check his "Reasoning" book right after your conversation.
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OF INTEREST TO NEW YORKERS?
by Dansk injust saw this on richard dawkin's site: http://richarddawkins.net/ and thought it might interest new yorkers and others on jwd:.
two ex-jehovah witnesses to tell why they became atheists.
by nyc atheistssee:.
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I'm a 1 1/2 hr ride, by train or car ,from Midtown Manhattan, so I'll try to make it. We have snow coming in tomorrow : ( but I think it's coming in late. BTW hi Grace, can't wait to meet up with you for WNJ PA convention next year. Inv.74
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Baptised, disfellowshipped all before reaching 18
by dinah inhow many times does this happen?
this question just popped in my head while reading the thread about being disfellowshipped.. disfellowshipping is harsh, but to do this to a kid??
kids make mistakes.
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I was baptized shortly after my 14th birthday after giving all the right answers to questions from the "Lamp" book. Made a Literature room servant at 17 and DA'ed myself at 19.