Thank you Cofty. I left the JWs in the late 80s and only lasted that long because of my wife.
'Apathy cart' indeed. I can think of many of the old-timers that would be horrified at such a passive approach.
PhilJonesIII
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HOW MANY drones allowed round an apathy trolley?
by hamsterbait ini saw seven the other day - the girls on one side the men on the other.
a couple fo them were drinking their starbucks.. so for every hour, 7 of "preaching" can be counted.
truly jehoobie is expanding the work in this final part of the time of the end!!.
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'Mrs Thumb and her four lovely daughters' have much to answer for.
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A fascinating invention is being tested here in our little village.
by Gregor init is a beautifully simple machine that produces electricity from moving water.. we live on the columbia river 3 miles above the huge bonneville dam hydro-electric installation.. we have an abandoned lock that was built about one hundred years ago to lift river traffic around the rapids formed thousands of years ago when the naturally formed bridge of the gods collapsed.
the river now flows through it next to thunder island.. recently, an experimental device called the "eco-auger" was lowered into the locks current to begin tests of the beta model.
it is about the size of a small school bus.
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A variation on the Archimedes screw and a seriously good idea. JCB, the company that makes those mechanical diggers, employs one at their Academy in Rocester in England. The advantage is that you dont need to build a dam to deploy them.
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Trashed WT's found in Dr.s' waiting room Friday. Do you trash literature you find?
by Wasanelder Once intook the magazines in the waiting room and dumped them in the trash.
was a great feeling.
to think many witnoids wont dare throw out the surplus magazines they have in stacks around the house is amazing.
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PhilJonesIII
Not quite in the same category but back in the day when my mother decided to pioneer and rather optimisticly ordered 100 of both WT&A for each issue. She was never able to get close to placing that many and as a result our house was swimming in them.
A brother called one evening and asked to use the bathroom and quickly returned to point out there was no toilet-paper.
My mother handed him a couple of Watchtowers......
I had seen nothing before and nothing since that matched the expression on his face.
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A few people have asked Why dont the parents or children who are the victims go straight to the police.
by smiddy ini will offer a couple of reasons hopefully many people can contribute more.
their are probably umpteen ( for want of a better word ) reasons why this is so .. lets be bloody honest about this , sex is the be all and end all of society , and has been since adam gazed upon eve.
(if you can beleive that story ).
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PhilJonesIII
For a lot of people, child sexual abuse is pretty clear cut. You grab the culpret and let the law do its job.
The psycology is not nearly as straightforward. My stepdaughter was made pregnant by her biological father. She was 12 at the time and living with him.
He denied touching her, she denied anyone touching her. When the baby arrived a DNA test (actually quite a few tests) identified her father as the father of her child. He still denied it. She still denied anyone touching her.
Eventually he admitted to having intercourse with his daughter. He did not get her drunk or drug her. His name is on the birth certificate, her calls the child his daughter and the girl-child calls him 'dad'. He now lives with his new partner and new child. The daughter lives with her new partner and second child in the same street. Everyone knows who did what to who and they seem perfectly happy with the situation.
I write this to illustrate just how messy things can get even without interference for the 'god knows best' brigade. You are dealing with loyalties that are inviolate for some. The name on that birth-certificate is the closest you will ever get that girl to condemning her father. Its been 14 years since.
Add the influence of a group of elders who can demand loyalty over parents/children and things get even more complicated. If you have not been there ( and I sincerely hope you never do ) then dont expect logic.
BTW: My partner at the time suffered a breakdown and remains a violent problem-case alcoholic. Touch the child and you kill the parent.
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Show this to the young ones in the congregation
by EdenOne inhopefully it will make them think.. .
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eden.
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PhilJonesIII
There was a huge pressure on kids not to go to college or even contemplate further education in the early 70s. 'Higher Education will expose you to philosophies that can cause you to stumble....' being one of the reasons.
I happened to do very well at school so landed a first job as a lab-technician. I also got seriously lucky with the people I worked with. Even so, just being in an environment that was related to the 'scientific' got me some heavy councelling on how to avoid evil philosophies and the theory of evolution. We were a chemistry lab doing quantatative analysis, not the biology department of a local museum. Even so, my fall was inevitable in the eyes of some.
When I handed in my notice after about three years to go window-cleaning/pioneering my boss's jaw nearly hit his desk. He ( Doctorate and Royal Institute of Chemistry ) had taken a shine to me and taken me under his wing as it were. He always took time to explain details of his work which he clearly loved. He was an exellent teacher.
But I was also a self-rightous little JW-Nazi who only saw an instrument of Satan who was trying to lead me away from the light of God's Word.
I can only hope he found it in him to forgive me.
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HOW MANY drones allowed round an apathy trolley?
by hamsterbait ini saw seven the other day - the girls on one side the men on the other.
a couple fo them were drinking their starbucks.. so for every hour, 7 of "preaching" can be counted.
truly jehoobie is expanding the work in this final part of the time of the end!!.
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Ive been out too long ( not long enough ) so can someone tell me what an 'apathy cart' is?
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"Life is so hard!...tribulation and problems abound!" Persecution complex of witnesses.....
by stuckinarut2 inthe meeting this week is mind-blowing in the way it fuels the crippling "persecution complex" of witnesses!.
paragraph 1 set the theme with this gem:.
does it shock you that you can expect to face many tribulations before you gain the prize of everlasting life?
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The persecution-philes!
Nothing new here. Even in my innocent days of religous enthusiasm, looking forward to God's new order and living forever in paradise ( ad nausium ) there were experiences related by others that I considered absurd.
The early days when a 'sound van' ( A truck with a megaphone ) would trawl the streets proclaiming god's word and generally scaring the horses.
One such van parks outside a catholic church on a Sunday morning and promptly starts calling the pope 'the antichrist' and other less-than-polite things.
Between that and beating a hornets nest with a stick, the hornets win for me.
The van overturned and the occupants soundly beaten ( pun intended ) by an irate catholic congregation. I guess they get nasty after the wine.
The occupants were proud of their 'persecution'.
Perhaps they should add that the stupid also get persecuted.
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'Trinity' plumbing and heating.
by LogCon ingeorge smith pulls into the kingdom hall parking lot one sunday morning.
he is excited because today, for the first time, he will handle the mikes.
some days the visiting speaker asks questions of the audience.
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Its 'TRINITY PLUMBING' and not 'THE TRINITY PLUMBING'. The lack of a definate article removes any religous overtones......he hopes.
This is not about dictionary definitions and grammatic correctness, its about opinion. A Belgiun chocolate company has just changed its name becasue of a dramatic drop in sales. They used to be called 'ISIS'.
You are not dealing with high level intellectuals, even less liberal intellectuals.
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I Waited Until My Wedding Night To Lose My Virginity And I Wish I Hadn't...
by Divergent ini found this article interesting & just wanted to share.
after going through my teenage years trying to be the perfect jw, i realized that trying to live up to the standards imposed on me have been for worse & not for better.
i was feeling miserable, repressed, unfulfilled, with a great lack of self confidence & self esteem.
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I was in my youth what could only be called a JW nerd. A selfrighous little **** with an attitude that would have been perfectly at home in the Hitler Youth. The Apostle Paul would have been embarrased in my company. So being a virgin when I married at 24 was a non-issue. No achievement for me because my mind was pure and I had kept myself seperate for contaminating influences (sigh).....at least that is how I believed it should have been. My new wife equally virginal and santimonous was of the school of thought that believed that women should not enjoy sex. And enjoy it she she was determined not to do.
This was in the 70s when people were selling their homes, retiring early and buying mobile homes in preperation for the big 'A'. Though 1975 was not printed, it was certainly hinted and such fiscal irresponsibilty was in no way discouraged. At that time in the UK at least, 'good women' did not enjoy sex. Sex was a concession to weakness in men.
The result was that sex ( and I mean 'sex', I wont grace it with the term 'making love' ) was always followed by a guilt-trip, a feeling that we had done something wrong and that the permission to 'do it' was a tired authority from a long-suffering god.
Eleven years of that before seeing the cracks in the ediface that was my faith. Not a good time but I disassociated myself. No need for detail for those that have been there. Three years later a divorce.
Four years later and a new partner who was an unabashed and enthusiastic practicioner of 'the art'. That enthusiasm spilt over in to every aspect of our lives. She, a qualified accountant, fluent in five languages, acomplished pianist and a joy to share the same space with. Not sure what she saw in me but we all have our blind-spots I suppose. There was never a sense of: 'Im doing this because its my duty as a wife'. There was never a sense that she was acting happy: she was happy and let me know when she wasnt. I could handle that.
The difference was I believe that she told me what she liked in all things and the intimate things were no exception. She was honest about her needs and desires and it was such a refreshing change.