Posts by AjaxMan

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Is Mutual Respect Possible?

by Sociologist in

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one of the most striking things about this and similar message boards concerning jehovah's witnesses is the strength of feeling jw-related discussions evoke.

as i dabble in sociology, i was wondering what you all thought about the following questions.

my objective is not to criticize persons belonging to other group but rather to attempt to grasp the dynamics of the conflicts at work here.. the questions:.

AjaxMan

"why not allow those who wish to stay JW's to stay in peace, without critism and why not allow those who wish to leave simply leave" .

How about this, why don't they friggin' stop knocking our doors early in the Morning on Saturdays to sell their religious rubbish?

Or how about this, why don't they stop looking for recruits and just let the recruits come to them instead? In other words, let the people come to the KH by themselves rather than the JWs come to the people?

(6) To what extent are both sides willing to accept responsibility for their own decisions? It is easy to cry mental manipulation, brainwashing, etc, but in reality such a paradigm could hardly account for millions of people subscribing to this or that belief system. It would seem that people who believe the Watchtower (or any other religious or non-religious tenets) do so because they have CHOSEN to believe it; people who don't believe it have CHOSEN not to believe it. That is not to say that such choices are always made consciously; many are made by default. But would you agree that there is a strong tendency in both camps to say that the problem is all "out there," with the other side? How realistic is such a position?

Does the factor of FEAR plays a part in choosing to believe the Watchtower or staying in it? When you choose NOT to believe it, you will run into the FEAR of being shunned, don't you? One side, the JW side, will never accept responsibility because they always think that they are right and anything against it is evil. That will be their thinking and they will never look at the other side of the story. exJWs tend to have a more realistic position than JWs because JWs live within their own little world or truth while exJWs already lived in that world and are thriving as well as living in the real world.

Now, I also like to see your answers to your questions.

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IF BETHEL MONITORS this board what are they saying

by minimus in

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it's been said many times that bethel monitors this board.

if they do, what do you think they're thinking?

do you think this board could cause a staunch bethelite to question things?

AjaxMan

Since this is a board that anyone can access, of course, Bethel is also checking out this board. I wouldn't say monitor because the only one monitoring this board is Simon.

If Bethel is reading this, I got a lot of 4 letter words to call you, but due to the graphic and colorful nature of these words, I can get deactivated so all you guys can figure out on your own.

If it is the Bethel legal dept. checking out this board, then they sure have a lotsa headaches to deal with (scandals and the potential lawsuits from them as well as a lotsa uncovered truths that they will have to spin doctored to cover for their next KingDumb Hell meeting).

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A week away from being a "normal" fam...

by LyinEyes in

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yep , it will happen next monday morning at 8:30 am.

all of my children will be attending their very first day of school, jake is 15, kelly is 9 and chance is 7. they are so excited about getting school supplies , backpacks, i almost said bookbags, lol , for the first time.

my daughter said this is her dream come true.

AjaxMan

LyinEyes,

It feels great to be normal without worries, ain't it? Celebrating b-days, seeing the kids enjoying what they like to do as well as seeing them going to school to study and participate in school activities? Being there to see your kids play football, basketball and seeing them practice? Also, seeing your kids being able to socialize with others? And most importantly, doesn't it feel great for you and your family to be and to live happily in your own way and your own terms?

I bet you are excited and happy about all that. I am happy that you, Wild Turkey and the kids are doing great. Y'all deserve to be happy as y'all are great people. It really shows that not everything in the "world outside dubdom" is as bad as the JWs portray.

Regards and hugs,

Ajax

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I Interviewed J. R. Brown

by mikepence in

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see http://blogs.salon.com/0001138/ for a sneak preview.edited by - mikepence on 7 august 2002 16:2:52.

AjaxMan

so HE WAS DA MAN

JT,

I guess with the way JR Brown bullshitted on Dateline, all the JWs will imitate his smooth bullshitting style. I am sorry that I don't share your opinion about JR Brown as I don't respect cults and high control groups that hurt people, silence those who stand up (Bill Bowen, the Pandelos), and I don't respect apologists for these cults' actions.

As far as JR Brown and the GB, those Jive Turkeys can kiss my @$$.

Edited by - AjaxMan on 5 August 2002 20:10:19

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Musto, let's talk. Ladies, back me up!

by Bendrr in

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ok, just kidding.

i like you dude and i'm not trying to start a fight or make enemies here.

but i do have to bring this up.

AjaxMan

Mullets are soooo 80's as one poster pointed out. If you like it, go ahead and wear it though I prefer the mohawk punk style from that era better.

As tdogg pointed out, nowadays, rednecks, hicks and white trash are the ones wearing a mullet.

SYN, is that you in the photo? I thought dub males are not allowed to wear long hair.

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I Interviewed J. R. Brown

by mikepence in

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see http://blogs.salon.com/0001138/ for a sneak preview.edited by - mikepence on 7 august 2002 16:2:52.

AjaxMan

He conducted himself in a cordial manner. Considering the questions I was posing, I thought he behaved like a gentleman.

They said the same thing about Ted Bundy, and we all know who he was and what he did. I don't mean to shoot you down, but I feel you oughta know that someone who does PR is an expert at how to speak to the public, in other words, showing another face to the public. Who do you think does the PR job of politicians and who tells politicians how to act on stage when addressing a public? The PR people.

To me, all and I mean ALL the JWs (as well as other cults) show that facade in order to attract people into their ungodly organization. You may have heard of "LoveBombing", a common tactic of the cults to attract people.

Don't believe in all the theatrics, it is just politics and business to be nice and cordial. Reborn2002 said it well and he summed it well when said:

The outer appearance can be deceiving. The propaganda a person supports and defends is the true defining point of character.

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JWs and the Amish

by Silverleaf in

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this morning's paper had an article on the amish [nothing in depth, just about how they sell their wares at local markets] but it brought to mind the ideas of the amish - they want no part of the world, they don't like to call attention to themselves, don't baptize little children, and they shun those who leave the faith.

i was just wondering if anyone here could shed some light on how jws view the amish.

are they impressed?

AjaxMan

At least the Amish really take to heart with regards to not taking part of this world. Look at them, they don't drive cars, they do things differently from the rest of the world. At least they keep their word (IMHO), whereas JWs do not keep their world with regards as not taking part of this world, for instance when the world has something that they can get and use, they take advantage and use it (i.e. cars, computers, airplanes, boats).

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Honda vs. Oldsmoble

by Larry in

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believe it or not i've purchased two cars (oldsmobile) through the borg connection - the circuit leasing group.

admittedly both cars were pretty reliable and pretty maintenance free.

the first car i brought from them i had to pick it up at bethel, a brother was driving it up from texas.

AjaxMan

Larry,

Check a lot of auto publications and Consumer Reports. Compare the Honda with the OldsMobile using these publications, then make your decision. I personally own a Honda Accord as it has a good history of reliability for the last 10-15 years. I've never owned an OldsMobile.

Regards,

Ajax

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Proof That Monsters Exist In Real Life

by Derrick in

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the title is not misleading.

i can prove that monsters really exist, although genetic tests of the species of these monsters might frighten and alarm you.

tests will reveal human dna.

AjaxMan

When you talk about Monsters that exist in Real Life, YES... there are real life monsters: Serial killers, brutal tyrants, Terrorists, Rapists and last but not least, Child Abusers and Pedophiles.

They all have one thing in common: they are a bunch of sick SOBs.

In the case of JWs, I consider the Pedophiles the real life monsters in the congregations as you know the amount of damage they make to the children's psyche and lives. The Elders, who cover up these cases and threaten the victims to shut up, are not monsters, they are nothing but a buncha cowards.

Derrick, you certainly presented a good case and you did prove your point. Let me ask you a question: Do you agree with me that the WTS and all other cults are real-life monsters per se?

Regards,

Ajax

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New Harley, or Kawasaki...hmmmm

by TR in

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well, crap.

i want a new harley fxd dyna superglide.

but, then again, a kawasaki vulcan classic is a few thousand $$'s cheaper.

AjaxMan

If you're riding it constantly (every day or 'til it dies), get Kawasaki.

If you're riding it ocassionally (once in a while) to just show it around town, get the Harley.

For the money and if you have beaucoup d'cash, get the Harley.