Enishi

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  Vicarious Atonement

  by Enishi in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  an interesting site i found, it helps reveal the dehumanizing aspect of the entire idea of jesus needing to die as some sort of blood sacrifice.

  http://www.sharktacos.com/god/cross_intro.html

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  Enishi

  An interesting site I found, it helps reveal the dehumanizing aspect of the entire idea of Jesus needing to die as some sort of blood sacrifice. http://www.sharktacos.com/God/cross_intro.html
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  Any other martial artist online

  by kenpodragon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i went from the jw's and got heavy into martial arts.

  i have a black belt in kenpo karate, tkd, and kenjitsu and also hold ranks in jujitsu and other lower ranks in other systems.

  i learned ages ago it is nothing evil like witnesses said it was, and have actually trained a few ex-jw's in my time.

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  Enishi

  Hey ThiChi, I've been reading Sifu Wong's material for quite some time, and have been meaning to take one of the courses with him, once I get enough money that is. Did you train under him or one of his instructors? What was it like?
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  Everlasting life on a Paradise earth..myth or reality?

  by shotgun in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  everlasting life on a paradise earth.

  this hope permeates the very being of every jw.

  does it mention everlasting life on a paradise earth?

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  Enishi

  A life, or a soul, begins as a small creature, perhaps a bacteria, and over the course of thousands of reincarnations, depending on its course in each life, gradually grows into a soul that can fill a human body - and then when a human dies, the soul is reincarnated as an angelic body, provided of course that it has built up enough positive karma to power the growth cycle.

  Ditto. I no longer like the idea of remaining a human for all time. Life is about growth and progression, about always looking on toward greater heights.
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  Giving the JWs one more chance.....

  by ScoobySnax in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm prompted to make a post on this subject following a previous post from stace..... i really think i need to go back to the meetings just one more time, i think it'd be a make or break scenario for me.

  i reckon i'll either go back and become full time like i was before, or just slink away thinking "i can't live up to this anymore" i envy both witnesses who are full time, for their faithfulness, and those that have made a clean break, for their honesty to themselves, its sort of not right to be living in some sort of limbo state.. dithering dithering dithering, thats all i've done since i first got here i think, like some fart in a storm, posting fluffy stuff and avoiding the hard stuff.... i hear what some of you say, and it does irritate me as well to be just a hanger-on.

  i don't think i'll ever be a hardcore anti-jw no more than i'll make circuit overseer, but well, i guess i need to go some way or the other.. and, well thats it really.

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  Enishi

  After I learned about the child abuse and the UN scandal, I decided that I would try to be positive at the meetings, look for the good in what they were saying and try to keep things in perspective.

  However, it just became more and more apparent to me as time went on that it is not, nor ever was, the truth.
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  Disassociation and Ray Franz

  by greatteacher in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  does anyone think that the rule which states that "associating with a disassociated person is a disfellowshipping offense" was created to disfellowship ray franz?

  the reason i ask this is because i noticed that the watchtower published many articles with that rule at the same time period franz left bethal, but published nothing about it before around 1981.

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  Enishi

  I used to hear all sorts of crap about why Ray was disfellowshipped, someone only told me that he started teaching the Trinity, another said that he was involved in immorality.

  One ding dong even tried to tell me that he was worshipping the devil. . .
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  halloween

  by Enishi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm feeling depressed now.... on halloween night, we had bought some candy.

  someone in my family suggested that we give it out to the trick or treaters.

  i don't really have anything against the holidays anymore, and i couldn't really see anything wrong with giving out candy.

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  Enishi

  We all have to pee and poop no matter who we are. Just picture them doing that, and maybe it will make you smile.

  He he, I'll try that.

  I've noticed that dubs tend to be nosier than just about anyone else I know of. I'll miss some of them, but if they're going to reject me over something as silly as handing out candy, then I suppose there's just no turning back.
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  What do you think?

  by Flowerpetal in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some of you that have been away from the borg for a while may not know that the segment of the meeting when the co visits the congregations, called new things learned, is no more.

  instead we are given another talk.

  i am of the opinion that it was discontinued because too many far out answers were being given for one question--and it may have prompted discussion after the meeting that would result in speculation and/or leanings toward apostate teachings.

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  Enishi

  Although I do like our current CO, most of his talks still revolve around the tired old "field service is more important than anything, do more more more!"

  Sometimes I wonder if the guy even agrees with everything the Society tells him to say.
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  Belief-o-matic test

  by qwerty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know i know this as been done before , i fink!

  http://beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html

  if you haven't taken the test before, give it a go see how far down the list if at all jw is.

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  Enishi

  1.	Sikhism (100%)
  2.	Neo-Pagan (99%)

  3. Mahayana Buddhism (92%) 4. Hinduism (90%) 5. New Age (86%) 6. Jainism (79%) 7. Unitarian Universalism (78%) 8. Liberal Quakers (73%) 9. Theravada Buddhism (71%) 10. Bahá'í Faith (67%) 11. Reform Judaism (66%) 12. Orthodox Judaism (65%)

  Interesting, Sikhism and New Age are probably the beliefs which most closely match that of Christian Gnosticism. Thing is, I didn't even know what Sikhism was until I took this test.

  26. Jehovahs Witness (28%)

  I can just imagine the slack-jawed shock of those in my congregation if they saw these results, I'm still technically in good standing there. . .
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  Has being a Witness caused clinical Depression with any of you?

  by Singing Man in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  for me i would say that half the reason i am depressed is directly cause from being raised a witness, i am 50 now.

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  Enishi

  I wouldn't have called myself clinically depressed, but for some time after my baptism I felt utterly miserable, and didn't even understand why. I felt like everything was pointless, if I could I would have blown up the planet. A couple times I did even consider suicide.

  I started to feel a little better eventually, but still went through bouts of depression since I couldn't accept the teaching that God was going to destroy 99% of population, just because they didn't have the right beleifs.
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  halloween

  by Enishi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm feeling depressed now.... on halloween night, we had bought some candy.

  someone in my family suggested that we give it out to the trick or treaters.

  i don't really have anything against the holidays anymore, and i couldn't really see anything wrong with giving out candy.

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  Enishi

  I'm feeling depressed now...

  On Halloween night, we had bought some candy. Someone in my family suggested that we give it out to the trick or treaters. I don't really have anything against the holidays anymore, and I couldn't really see anything wrong with giving out candy. So, when the trick or treaters came to the door I thought "why not?" and gave them some.
  
  However, someone from the hall called once when the door was open. They must have heard the kids and told the elders (what a surprise ) as two days later we had two brothers come to our house and question us. We managed to avoid any trouble, saying that we had merely given candy to a couple neighbors that stopped by (after all that is what happened). Still, I can't help but feel depressed about the whole thing. The two brothers who came by were very nice and understanding, good down to earth men, but were doing what they believed was required of them. I like both of them, and I hated having to twist the truth to avoid getting in trouble.
  
  Even though I don't agree with them on number of things, I still feel that most witnesses are good people. I guess that, on a certain level, I still care very much about what they think of me. I have no regrets about the path I've choosen, but I hate to think that the brothers and sisters I've grown up with will be appalled at my rejection of the WTS. I hate to consider the fact that they'll view me as a deserter and a bad person. And the thing of it is, I will eventually have to say goodbye. Things like this always have a way of coming into the open eventually, even if all I do is become inactive the wedge will gradually deepen.
  
  My only hope is that one day, I can finally make peace and be open with the people I've grown up with, with no judgement coming from either side.