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Posts by alamb
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19I urge You /Theocratic Warfare
by metatron ini strongly urge you to look at and download the document called "lying in court - theocratic warfare strategy" - over at freeminds.org.
this is a lengthy and careful analysis of the watchtower society's practice of .
deliberate lying to the public - and in courtrooms.
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I urge You /Theocratic Warfare
by metatron ini strongly urge you to look at and download the document called "lying in court - theocratic warfare strategy" - over at freeminds.org.
this is a lengthy and careful analysis of the watchtower society's practice of .
deliberate lying to the public - and in courtrooms.
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alamb
If anyone wants to put the video on the net, they are welcome to it. Then the CO himself will be on an apostate website. I'd kinda' make sure he found that out.
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I urge You /Theocratic Warfare
by metatron ini strongly urge you to look at and download the document called "lying in court - theocratic warfare strategy" - over at freeminds.org.
this is a lengthy and careful analysis of the watchtower society's practice of .
deliberate lying to the public - and in courtrooms.
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alamb
He got so slippery it made me ill. He was sweating all over the place. He read the part about being careful not to say a greeting......then denied it meant not to say hello. ?! He also read the part from the 1950? WT about detesting such ones and said that was old information. My attorney asked, "well, has the standing of this organization changed since then?" He replied, "no". "So you would still instruct these children to detest their mother." "I didn't say that". "But your organization instructs that." "I can't speak for them" yada yada.............gag
I was ready to stand up and say something. My attorney got so frustrated he sat down and said (loudly) " this guy won't tell the truth anyway". The judge wasn't impressed. After all, the quotes were in print. Loud and clear.
I received affidavits from many countries regarding shunning and minor children being involved. THis is a violation of parental rights. I have filed complaints with local and national ACLU offices. Two months after my first complaint the October magazine cited that jw children must respect the religious beliefs of non-jw parents. hmmmmm.......... I also got a letter from the Justice Dept.
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I urge You /Theocratic Warfare
by metatron ini strongly urge you to look at and download the document called "lying in court - theocratic warfare strategy" - over at freeminds.org.
this is a lengthy and careful analysis of the watchtower society's practice of .
deliberate lying to the public - and in courtrooms.
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alamb
Been there...doing that.
I am a fit mother whose children have been told will die at Armageddon and the kids will go down too if they stay with me. In court the JW's denied shunning existed and a bunch of you wrote me affidavits refuting this lie........eternally grateful guys.
Next, he drags in the City Overseer who is asked by my attorney to read from the Organization book a quote about shunning. Lo and behold!!!! the JW's don't print an organization book and he has never heard of it. He even refused to read any WT quotes because they might be taken from apostate websites. He also denied the custody packet available to JW's in custody disputes. My attorney asked him what difference it made where the WT quotes came from, if they were WT quotes. He pointed a finger at me and said, "She gave these to you didn't she?" uh, yup.
Anyway, I filed perjury charges and Randy W. has the video. I hope he puts it out there. People need to see what these people are capable of.
p.s. I'm still looking for help with stories of xjw parents in this battle.........for our children.
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Just be disfellowshipped - need to chat
by CraigSA inhey all - new here.. well i have now just bee shut off from my family and branded disfeloowshipped and an apostate.
sheesh anyway - for those of you who have been through simular - let me know.. craig.
jhb south africa
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alamb
Welcome! My hubby is from Durban! Nice to meet you..........tell us more if you can.
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Sleigh Ride, Anyone?
by Farkel ini finally got my keyboard to communicate with my computer and have recorded my favorite holiday song.
it's in a streaming audio format and should be ok with most modern audio players.
i know it works with winamp.
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alamb
I love it too! Thanks for sharing. Got more?
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Where Did Those 29 Years Go?
by Englishman intomorrow is our 29th anniversary!.
so, tonight calls for a big celebration.
we're off to the "flute de paris" for an evening of wine and good food in a top restaurant in wsm.
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alamb
Happy Anniversary's all around for E-man and Mulan!!! Best wishes from our family to yours.
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HELP! NEED INFORMATION
by SHUNNED FATHER inwhere in the watch tower publications does it say that jw family members should not associate with a family member that has been disfellowshipped or disassociated.
i will be going to court to get access to my daughter cassandra and joint custody.
for the past several months, i have not been able to have any visits with her.
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alamb
How are these ones who decide they want to leave the movement or cult treated?
The Watchtower publications of Jehovah's witnesses state how they are to treat such persons "We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme and active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest". From Watchtower magazine 1st Oct 1952 p 599. ".a disfellowshiped (excommunicated) relative who does not live in the same home, contact with him is also kept to what is absolutely necessary .even curtailed completely if at all possible" From Watchtower magazine 15th July 1977 p443. "We should not see how close we can get to relatives who are disfellowshiped (excommunicated) from Jehovah's organization, but we should 'quit mixing company' with him". From Watchtower magazine 15th July 1977 p443. "If a Jehovah's witness joins another religion, an announcement is made to the congregation to stop associating with him". From Watchtower magazine 15th Oct 1986 p19.
Grounds for legal separation requested by a Jehovah's witness is also granted if a marriage mate disagrees with Jehovah's witness teachings seen from this quote - Watchtower magazine 1st Nov 1988 p22: "But separation is allowable if an unbelieving mate's opposition makes it impossible to pursue true worship and imperils the believers spirituality". "Would upholding God's righteousness and his disfellowshipping arrangement mean that a Christian should not speak at all with an expelled person, not even saying 'Hello'.a simple 'Hello' to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation.. From Watchtower magazine 15th Sept 1981 pp24-26. "None in the congregation should greet such persons when meeting in public nor should they welcome these into their homes" From Jehovah's witnesses organization manual p172.Watchtower 9/15/1981 pages 23, 24 Disfellowshiping-How to View It
16 Persons who make themselves not of our sort by deliberately rejecting the faith and beliefs of Jehovahs Witnesses should appropriately be viewed and treated as are those who have been disfellowshiped for wrongdoing. COOPERATING WITH THE CONGREGATION
17 Though Christians enjoy spiritual fellowship when they discuss or study the Bible with their brothers or interested persons, they would not want to have such fellowship with an expelled sinner (or one who has renounced the faith and beliefs of Jehovahs Witnesses, disassociating himself). The expelled person has been rejected, being self-condemned because of sinning, and those in the congregation both accept Gods judgment and uphold it. Disfellowshiping, however, implies more than ceasing to have spiritual fellowship.Titus 3:10, 11.
18 Paul wrote: Quit mixing in company . . . , not even eating with such a man.(1 Cor. 5:11) A meal is a time of relaxation and socializing. Hence, the Bible here rules out social fellowship, too, such as joining an expelled person in a picnic or party, ball game, trip to the beach or theater, or sitting down to a meal with him.Watchtower 6/1/1970 pages 351, 352 Questions from Readers
Again, the disfellowshiping does not dissolve the flesh-and-blood ties, but, in this situation, contact, if it were necessary at all, would be much more rare than between persons living in the same home. Yet, there might be some absolutely necessary family matters requiring communication, such as legalities over a will or property. But the disfellowshiped relative should be made to appreciate that his status has changed, that he is no longer welcome in the home nor is he a preferred companion.Watchtower 7/1/1963 page 413 What Disfellowshiping Means
Therefore the members of the congregation will not associate with the disfellowshiped one, either in the Kingdom Hall or elsewhere. They will not converse with such one or show him recognition in any way. If the disfellowshiped person attempts to talk to others in the congregation, they should walk away from him. In this way he will feel the full import of his sin.Watchtower 4/15/1988 page 26 Discipline That Can Yield Peaceable Fruit
3 But, someone may ask, is it not harsh to expel and then refuse to talk with the expelled person? Such a view surfaced in a recent court case involving a woman who was raised by parents who were Jehovahs Witnesses. Her parents had been disfellowshipped. She was not, but she voluntarily disassociated herself by writing a letter withdrawing from the congregation. Accordingly, the congregation was simply informed that she was no longer one of Jehovahs Witnesses. She moved away, but years later she returned and found that local Witnesses would not converse with her. So she took the matter to court. What was the outcome, and how might this affect you? In order to understand the matter properly, let us see what the Bible says about the related subject of disfellowshipping.Watchtower 4/151988 page 28 Discipline That Can Yield Peaceable Fruit
14 The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home. It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative. Even if there were some family matters requiring contact, this certainly would be kept to a minimum, in line with the divine principle: Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person [or guilty of another gross sin], . . . not even eating with such a man.1 Corinthians 5:11.An apostate according to the WTBTS is one who no longer believes in the Jehovah's Witness religion, one who rejects their teachings and decides for conscience reasons they can no longer be a part of this religion. There are a few scriptures that allude to the term "apostate". The context of both First and Second John seems to indicate they would be "antichrists." What is an "antichrist"? The "Insight" book points out that it embraces all those who deny that "Jesus is the Christ," and who deny that Jesus is the Son of God who came "in the flesh". Many who have left Jehovah's Witnesses still believe that the Bible is God's Word and that Jesus is the Christ. But applying the term "antichrist" or "apostate to these ones who have left is not scripturally valid.
Watchtower 4/1/1983 page 24 Reject Apostasy, Cling to the Truth!
Attitude Toward Apostates
17 Christians are to be hospitable, but not toward apostates from the true faith. (1 Peter 4:9) John made this clear in saying: If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. (2 John 10, 11) The deceivers were traveling about and actively spreading false teaching. Of course, it would have been wrong for any dedicated Christian to extend the hand of fellowship to them by allowing these false teachers into his home. It would also have been improper to give the apostates any kind of greeting, whether it was welcome on their arrival or God speed at their departure. (Authorized Version) No loyal Christian would wish a deliberate promoter of false doctrine success in his work. Certainly, then, no faithful witness of Jehovah would socialize with such an individual.1 Corinthians 5:11-13.
18 Moreover, if a dedicated servant of Jehovah were to entertain such a deceptive teacher in his home, he would become an accomplice in the wicked deeds of that person. (The New English Bible) Therefore, no loyal modern-day witness of Jehovah would greet a disfellowshipped or disassociated apostate or allow that one to use his Christian home as a place from which to spread doctrinal error. Surely, there would be grave accountability before God if a believer extended hospitality to an apostate and this resulted in the spiritual death of a fellow worshiper of Jehovah.Compare Romans 16:17, 18; 2 Timothy 3:6, 7.Watchtower 7/15/1985 page 31 Questions From Readers
Aid to Bible Understanding shows that the word apostasy comes from a Greek word that literally means a standing away from but has the sense of desertion, abandonment or rebellion. The Aid book adds: Among the varied causes of apostasy set forth in apostolic warnings were: lack of faith (Heb. 3:12), lack of endurance in the face of persecution (Heb. 10:32-39), abandonment of right moral standards (2 Pet. 2:15-22), the heeding of the counterfeit words of false teachers and misleading inspired utterances ( . . . 1 Tim. 4:1-3) . . . Such ones willfully abandoning the Christian congregation thereby become part of the antichrist. (1 John 2:18, 19) A person who had willfully and formally disassociated himself from the congregation would have matched that description. By deliberately repudiating Gods congregation and by renouncing the Christian way, he would have made himself an apostate. A loyal Christian would not have wanted to fellowship with an apostate. Even if they had been friends, when someone repudiated the congregation, apostatizing, he rejected the basis for closeness to the brothers. John made it clear that he himself would not have in his home someone who did not have God and who was not of our sort. Scripturally, a person who repudiated Gods congregation became more reprehensible than those in the world. Why? Well, Paul showed that Christians in the Roman world daily contacted fornicators, extortioners, and idolaters. Yet he said that Christians must quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother who resumed ungodly ways. (1 Corinthians 5:9-11) Similarly, Peter stated that one who had escaped from the defilements of the world but then reverted to his former life was like a sow returning to the mire. (2 Peter 2:20-22) Hence, John was providing harmonious counsel in directing that Christians were not to receive into their homes one who willfully went out from among them.2 John 10. ....
The seriousness of this counsel is evident from Johns words: He that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. No true Christian would have wanted God to view him as sharing in wicked works by associating with an expelled wrongdoer or with one who rejected His congregation.Also. if you need, the Canadian parliament did an in-depth study on the effects of shunning. If you need a link, I can find it.
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Regarding Tombstones
by joelbear inwhat do i want on my tombstone?.
i've always thought i would have a quote from the jimmy buffett song "he went to paris".
some of its magic.
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alamb
I want a granite bench instead of a headstone. So whoever passes by can sit and think about where you start and where you end up and what is in between that matters. Underneath will have a verse about making a difference, for those that know it's there. It will be a place to contemplate and rest...I hope.
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English Translation To Er..Um...US English?
by Englishman inpasted shamelessly in a bid to engender peaceable relations with our overseas cousins... .
aamericanbritishairplaneaeroplanealuminumaluminiumapartmentflatappetizerentree, starter*archeologyarchaeology.
bamericanbritishbabysitterminderbaked potatojacket potatobathroomloo, the toiletband-aidelastoplastbank tellercashierbedspreadsimilar to a eiderdown and duvetbilliontrillionbleachersterracebraces (for teeth)brace.
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alamb
Now you tell me!
I married a South African chap 3 years ago and now realize I don't know what he is talking about. When we go through a fast-food drive through I have to lean across him and translate. Try getting a mincemeat pattie at Burger King!!! And don't take him to the office supply to get rubbers!