Posts by alamb

It started out innocently enough: I began thinking at meetings now and then to loosen up. Inevitably though, one thought led to another and soon I was more than just a theocratic thinker. I began to think alone, you know, “to relax,” I told myself, but I knew it wasn’t true. Thinking became more and more important, and finally I was thinking all the time. I even thought at the Kingdom Hall. I knew thinking and my position in the congregation didn’t mix, but I couldn’t stop.

I began avoiding the friends at lunchtime so I could read Crisis of Conscience and other works that challenged my thought processes. I returned to the Kingdom Hall dizzied and confused, asking, “What exactly are we doing here?” Things weren’t great at home either. One evening I turned off the TV and asked my wife about the meaning of life guided by the FDS—she spent the night at her mother’s.

I soon had a reputation as a heavy thinker. One day the PO called me into the back room and said, “Bob, I like you, and it hurts me to say this, but your thinking is a real problem. If you don’t stop thinking, I’ll have to recommend you be disfellowshipped.” This gave me a lot to think about. I went home early after my conversation with the elder. “Honey,” I confessed, “I’ve been thinking.” “I know you’ve been thinking,” she said, “and I want a divorce.” “But Honey, surely it’s not that serious.” “It is serious,” she said, lower lip quivering. “You have been a fine window washer all your life and your service to Jehovah comes before the children and I having health insurance or educations.” “That’s faulty syllogism,” I said impatiently, and she began to cry.

I’d had enough. “I’m going to the library to look up what really happened in 607/587,” I snarled and stomped out the door. I headed to the library in the mood for enlightenment, roared into the parking lot, and ran up to the big glass doors—they didn’t open. The library was closed. To this day I believe Jehovah was looking out for me that night. As I sank to the ground clawing at the unfeeling glass, whimpering for a computer with an internet connection to feed my starving mind, a magazine caught my eye; a Watchtower left in a laundromat. The words “Friend, is heavy thinking ruining your life?” stood out in large letters. You may recognize the line: it comes from the standard issue “Thinkers Anonymous” poster. Today, I am a recovering thinker. I never miss a meeting . At each meeting we listen to a non-educational, self congratulatory public talk. I am again training my mind to be numb. Then we share experiences about how we avoided thinking since the last meeting. I still have my family and things are a lot better at home. Life just got easier, somehow, once I stopped thinking. Soon, I’ll be able to be an elder again…. Thanks, Bob

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Scan of Currently used Advanced Medical Directive?

by VM44 in

can anyone supply a color scan of the front and back of the currently used advanced medical directive card?.

(or whatever it is called now).

thanks.

alamb

Counter document to file for your child with schools, hospitals, doctors BEFORE the JW parent "forgets" to contact you in the event of an emergency requiring a treatment for your child.

Date:___________________________________________________________

Name of Minor:___________________________________________________

N ame(s) of Legal Custodian(s):_________________________________________

I am a resident of the State of ____________, over the age of 18, and fully competent to make this statement. I am a parent of the minor child, ___________________________. This minor is a resident of the state of _________.

It is my desire, in signing this document and making it available to you and your institution, to let it be know that I do not agree with and will not consent to the refusal of a blood transfusion or any similar, necessary medical treatment when it is deemed appropriate for the health of my child. The health and well-being of my child are of utmost importance to me and I respect the judgment of the medical community in this regard.

I am aware that this child may be in possession of a medical identity card distributed by Jehovah’s Witnesses. I am aware also, that the child’s mother/father may be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses and conscientiously object to medical treatment involving blood and/or blood products for medical use involving this child due to religious reasons. My child is not a baptized member of Jehovah’s Witnesses and cannot fully understand the implications of taking a stand regarding a life threatening situation based on Biblical reasoning endorsed by another person. My child is also a minor and not legally capable or bound to a medical decision made on his own behalf.

I am not one of Jehovah’s Witnesses and do not endorse this stand. As a parent to this child, I will be willing to sign waivers regarding the overriding of this document, if needed. I will also be willing to state this before a judge, if the matter is remanded to a court regarding the rights of my child.

I am attaching a copy of a recently published essay, "Jehovah's Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation," in the Autumn issue of Baylor University’s Journal of Church and State, December 13, 2005.Information given to the Jehovah’s Witness parent has been proven to be a misrepresentation of the facts regarding blood and it’s use and I cannot agree with any decision not made without all the facts regarding a life-saving treatment.

I wish to be contacted in the event of a medical emergency involving this child. This may be objected to by the child’s mother/father but I am a legally recognized parent to this child and this is the lawful course. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.

I can be reached at:

Address: _________________________________________________

Phone:

___________________(home)

_____________________(work)

_______________(cellular)

I have filed a copy of this with my attorney and a copy has been given to the child’s mother/father.

I thank you, in advance, for your consideration in this matter.

Respectfully yours,

Your Name____________________________________________________

DATED this ________ day of _________, 2012.

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN to before me this _____ day of ___________, 2012.

Notary Seal

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Colorado Custody Case

by Desperatelilone in

i am a catholic and i have a son with a practicing jw.

we have never been married and i have had sole custody of him since he was born.

my son's father is taking me back to court for joint decision making and wanting to have visitations during holidays even though he does not celebrate.

alamb

I/M me.

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How do I respond to this? from my father

by alamb in

a daughter .

daughters are precious, in so many ways,.

from the day of their birth, till the end of your days.. .

alamb

Good stuff Quandry. Thanks! How about the hypocrisy of seeing him give a Sunday talk as an elder? disgusting. And I pioneered through it as a teen and went on to be a fine elder's wife.

Not quite where I'm going yet, but SO not where I was.

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How do I respond to this? from my father

by alamb in

a daughter .

daughters are precious, in so many ways,.

from the day of their birth, till the end of your days.. .

alamb

Thank you.

Life has gone on. I still hold hope that they will be free but not at a cost to my peace and sanity. I have resolved myself to the fact that they are soulless. But I get irked when they start with the slinging and arrogance.

What a hollow existence. So thankful we all got out. Great ideas. Thanks.

(((((((((((my dear friends on this board))))))))))))))))) Family of circumstance, eh?

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How do I respond to this? from my father

by alamb in

a daughter .

daughters are precious, in so many ways,.

from the day of their birth, till the end of your days.. .

alamb

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'A FATHER IS SOMEONE WHO'S THERE FOR YOU WHEN YOU NEED HIM
A FATHER NEVER LETS YOU DOWN
A FATHER IS SOMEONE THERE TO HUG YOU WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG
A FATHER IS THERE TO DRY UP THE TEARS
A FATHER IS THERE FOR YOU WHEN YOU NEED SOMEONE TO TALK TO
A FATHER ISN'T SOMEONE WHO LEAVES YOU FOR HIS CHANCE AT EVERLASTING LIFE PROMISED BY A CULT
A FATHER ISN'T SOMEONE WHO DENIES HIS OWN CHILD
A FATHER ISN'T SOMEONE WHO COWERS TO BE KNOWN AS YOUR FATHER FOR FEAR OF MEN IN A COMMITTEE
A FATHER ISN'T A HYPOCRITE
A FATHER ISN'T WHAT I SEE IN YOU"

I TRIED.

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How do I respond to this? from my father

by alamb in

a daughter .

daughters are precious, in so many ways,.

from the day of their birth, till the end of your days.. .

alamb

Thanks everyone! So many ways to deal with this. Some background on our relationship. My mom and dad converted when I was 3. He molested me for 6 years. Admits it. Can't be prosecuted due to statute of limitations. I left the cult 15 years ago and he and my blessed mother testified I was suicidal for leaving the true faith to help my ex gain custody of our 3 daughters. My ex used the "religious persecution by the court" guise and it worked.

9 years later, my youngest daughter finally left and came to live with me. I'm remarried, have two more kiddies, work for the court as an investigator for the Guardian ad Litem office and am on the PTA and a substitute teacher for the schools.

HE has been disfellowshipped twice for alcoholism, I didn't even know they enforced that. He doesn't know I know he's df'd and trying to use guilting me back in as his redemption ticket to the New System.

No thanks.

Let's do the poem. Followed by the "I forgive you".

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How do I respond to this? from my father

by alamb in

a daughter .

daughters are precious, in so many ways,.

from the day of their birth, till the end of your days.. .

alamb

A DAUGHTER

Daughters are precious, in so many ways,

From the day of their birth, till the end of your days.

You show them and teach tem, and try your best,

So as they grow older, they can stand the tests.

You admire their accomplishments & sometime you boast,

Not that they're perfect, but for giving their most.

When they know they've pleased you, & you see that smile,

The trying and caring, makes it all seem worthwhile.

Then they become wives, and leave home and you two,

But present you with grandkids, and it all starts anew.

You pray for their future, and give it you all,

That from Jehovah's favor, they never will fall.

You hope they'll find happiness, and pray it will last,

Because this system is ending, and it's coming fast.

Please God! Protect her, and help her get through,

Because daughters like ours, are seldom and few.

_____________________

Then he added: We tried.

So sick of the pious attitude.

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Warren Jeffs - guilty

by Glander in

jw
friends

a poster man for creeps, under the guise of religion.

why do we keep seeing religion and sexual abuse of children in the same sentence?.

alamb

Interesting discussion on TV about the "compound". They brought up the issue likened to kidnapping/of children and women in the sect due to fear of leaving. That leads you to the "lost boys" and children who leave but are shunned. And that leads us to a whole big can of worms I'd love to see opened.

Is Stockholm Syndrome a condition worthy of tort? If not, the women in the compounds need to be prosecuted for aiding him and not defending their own children.