Was an elder, i an see you have deeply held feelings regarding the second iraq war and the united states involvment and i wouldnt insult you by trying to convince you otherwise. I do however take exception to your invocation of goodwins law and comparing all american soldiers involved in the war to nazi's and their participation in ww2. The simple reality is that few german soldiers who fought in ww2 were guilty of the atrocities that brought about the nuremburg trials, the arena that you refer too when you referance the "just following orders" defense. In effect, They wernt all "nazi's" even though they were all german soldiers in ww2. Im not trying to fan a flame war, only pointing out that you are painting with a very broad and historically inaccurate brush.
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American Sniper - courage or cowardice?
by Simon inthe movie american sniper is breaking box office records and of course there is some irony that a movie about a sniper is released on martin luther king day (who was shot by one).. but of course there is a world of difference between an assassin and a military sniper ... or is there?.
some are making a big stink about it and claiming that "snipers are cowards".
it seems unfair to me.
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Legal scholars: JW court cases before Supreme Court were "accidental wins."
by TerryWalstrom inthe outcomes of jehovah's witness court cases, to most first amendment scholars, the witness successes in court, especially the supreme court, were accidental.
legal scholars have uniformly dismissed the witnesses' methods for bringing about first amendment cases, referring to their legal successes as mere unintended consequences of fanatical preaching.
for example, legal scholar bernard schwartz noted that jehovah's witnesses, "who became involved in trouble with the law were only seeking to propagate their unpopular creed.
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Dear typer-ers, you're doing it wrong!
by Simon inthere are many things wrong with the world, many injustices and crimes committed.
what if we could stop one of them?
wouldn't it make the world a slightly better place?
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Need advice on a comeback to my wife: when she is in cult mode she says faith without works is dead.
by goingthruthemotions inso i have gotten into arguements with my wife in the past about this cult.
now a days after reading steve hassan books...i just try and avoid anything jdub with her.
try to keep her in authentic mode..(not sure she really has one).
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What is so interesting, as several others have commented, is that in his discussion of faith needing works, james never once mentioned the door to door ministry or ANY ministry for that matter. In that second chapter as he was making his case, james refered to men of faith and how their faith moved them to act but never once even suggested a sharing of faith as that act. As someone noted already, he did talk about taking of orphans and widows though :)
sadly, all of this will fall deaf on the ears of average dubbies. Its abput them seeing what was preprogrammed for their eyes....
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Dear typer-ers, you're doing it wrong!
by Simon inthere are many things wrong with the world, many injustices and crimes committed.
what if we could stop one of them?
wouldn't it make the world a slightly better place?
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Ted Jaracz and/or others?
by feenx inhappy new year to all :)
so i'm curious if anyone has further info/dirt on jaracz or any other gb members (former or current).
i know jaracz was publicly accused of molesting a young girl (now an adult).
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He may have recently given some talk that stirred people up but that homosexual topic was a frequent one. When i first arrived and went through entrance school there was a whole lot of talk about not giving your roomate a message etc etc... As i say, it didnt start in the 90's by any means and im sure it still goes on now and im sure its still discussed and warned against.
In any event i dont mean to derail the original topic or subsequent bump/discussion, i was only offering my view point and experiance with sydlik when i was at brooklyn, that being he didnt seem to have any untoward interest in young brothers nor were their any rumors about him during my time there. Again this is not suggest that the account is false, only to say i have my doubts and would like more evidance or facts before accepting it as fact.
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Ted Jaracz and/or others?
by feenx inhappy new year to all :)
so i'm curious if anyone has further info/dirt on jaracz or any other gb members (former or current).
i know jaracz was publicly accused of molesting a young girl (now an adult).
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Very well could have been but i think thay was prior to the df'ings. Rumor had it every 10 or 15 years they 'cleaned house' house of homosexuals. It didnt start in the 90's and im sure it goes on now. In that enviornment, with so few women and NO approved outlet for normal sexual feelings, men turn whatever is around. It was very prison like in some respects.
*Just want to be clear here that im not in anyway opossed to homosexuals or whatever sexual orientation someone possess, im simply noting what i observed in my time at bethel and why that may be the case.
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Ted Jaracz and/or others?
by feenx inhappy new year to all :)
so i'm curious if anyone has further info/dirt on jaracz or any other gb members (former or current).
i know jaracz was publicly accused of molesting a young girl (now an adult).
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Sorry, i also should add that i know from my own time there that bethel in the early 90's was rampant with homosexual activity. My barber was df'd for it along with many others in a big brouhaha. Cleary it could have gone to the top, but dan just didnt seem to have a facination with the young men.... -
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Ted Jaracz and/or others?
by feenx inhappy new year to all :)
so i'm curious if anyone has further info/dirt on jaracz or any other gb members (former or current).
i know jaracz was publicly accused of molesting a young girl (now an adult).
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I never would want to discount someones account but i knew sydlik a bit and he never struck me as one who gave special attention to any of the young guys. It is fact that both greenleas and chitty were homosexual and on the gb and that they had had sexual relationships with bethelites. That has been covered in great detail on this site. They were both also dismissed very quietly from the gb. I would need some more information and some sort of additional verification before i could accept this account. It just dosent fit the profile of the person i knew, a very flawed bias i know. -
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JW.org and recruitment
by Illuminated indo you believe the marketing of jay w org will convert more people or help inactive ones remain indoctrinated?
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And i agree with kate on this. The internet appeals because of its lack of personal human contact. It creats an allusion of interaction on boards like this, but its not at all the same as 'in person' contact. The org seems to like the idea that people can look at their beliefs in private and not have to explain to their neighbors who is visiting every week. They have said as much at recent CA in fact. But the problem kate points out is that what hooks people most often is not dubbie doctrine but the love bombing and social circle provided by the local congregation. Im not sure the translation is there from a non interactive website (meaning one that provides static information and not acrual human interaction) to getting butts in seats at the local hall.
I continue to think that j w o r g is 1) a response to people learning the truth about the truth and countering with their own side and 2) cost saving as they migrated from 'print to pdf'