If richard is correct its progress but still not the obvious correct answer. Yes two witness for congregation action is their right but all allegations should be taken to the police, period. Let the police (or appropriate agency) handle it no matter what and whatever the little association of book sellers wants to do is up to them.
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Circuit Overseer's Idiotic Comment
by FedUpJW inat last night's clam the circuit overseer made this comment, "we elders sometimes have to act as judges in the congregation.
but we (the elders) are imperfect, and so cannot know everything about judicial matters.
that is why we (the elders) have the biblical rule that there must be at least two witnesses to wrongdoing.
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The wages of sin...
by joey jojo insomewhere in the bible it says; the wages of sin is death.. just death.
not pain or anguish or agonising illnesses.
so , why do we have to endure all of the heart-breaking torment that goes along with life?
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_Morpheus
Nihilism at its finest.
life is a great adventure and a priveldge we get for a very short time. Make it count :)
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Watchtower/Bethelite Volunteers and US Self Employment or FICA Tax?
by EnlightenedEphesian inwith so many aging bethelites being "laid off" after years of volunteer service, what hope do they have of collecting any social security retirement?
i ask because i recently learned that my mother will not receive any government retirement benefits because she did not work enough to collect the 40 credits required.
this got me to thinking about bethel volunteers.
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_Morpheus
Drop off your key is correct. Bethelites are joined to another object by an inclined plane wrapped helically around an axis.
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How are midweek CLAM meetings solid spiritual food in ANY way?
by Isambard Crater inbesides the possibility that the theocratic ministry school was dropped to avoid the word 'school' appearing any longer for a.r.c child abuse reasons, the introduction of the new clam meetings for midweek has been one of the several main factors making me develop a repulsion for the jw.org religion.. okay, the watchtower study is fairly mickey mouse these days too, but the midweek meetings are truly awful and contribute to me feeling physically and emotionally ill, which i documented in my first post on here.. i'm quite a well-educated person and my job involves a lot of linguistic skill, thinking, communication, analysis, research, interpretation and presentation.
the clam workbook is patronising and like something even school kids would tire of.. after a long day at work, i don't like the idea of dragging myself off to a midweek meeting in the cold dark nights let alone any other time of the year, but it'd be far better if it was for more solid spiritual food.
somehow the meetings i grew up with as a child were more interesting.
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_Morpheus
"Instead of wasting my time at a CLAM meeting I'd rather be helping the homeless or doing real 'good'."
so why arnt you?
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JW Bethel asks for a million euros to be paid to avoid courtroom
by darkspilver infrom cronica (spain).
jehovah's witnesses 'plugged' a one million euro entrepreneurial hole.
the cult asked to maintain the "peace" of a congregation in galicia to avoid that the case of emptying of the company reached civil justice.. jws asked to hide a million-euro business hole at a supply company in la coruña (galicia).
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_Morpheus
Interesting that they didnt tell the first group to pay her and not worry the money. Its always a one way street.
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Lots Of Whining And Complaining About Us JW's
by Deaconblues1914 inin reading these posts, it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the wt.
society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank.
jehovah has indeed blessed us.
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_Morpheus
Dont worry. He will be back. They always come back.
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February 26, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Witnessing in Public Places
by wifibandit infebruary 26, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: witnessing in public places.
and.
february 25, 2017 to all congregations re: magnetic boards and posters for public witnessing.
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_Morpheus
As an additional aside, in my former congregation even the carts themselves are dropped off and picked up by ms or elders on behalf of those manning them.... congregation not involved my ass
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Observations from an Ex-Elder Part 1
by doubtfull1799 ini was thinking about the fog model this morning, particularly about the "obligation" part.
my mind went back to the last elders school i went to.
one of the parts in the section on appointments was discussing how we should not place too high a bar (human standards) for brothers to try and jump over when we are considering them for appointment as a ministerial servant.
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_Morpheus
Agreed that is a terrible mix of traits. I was actually secretary when i stepped down myself.
I had long realized that I, as secretary, got beat up for people not turning time in... i never asked people to make time up, i just averaged there previous months for them, with the exception of pioneers.
In the end its a honor system reporting mechanism and i encouraged people to play fast and loose. Nobody ever cared as long as the CO was happy and then it was six months before anyone cared again.
It was then and is now a travashamockery.
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Observations from an Ex-Elder Part 1
by doubtfull1799 ini was thinking about the fog model this morning, particularly about the "obligation" part.
my mind went back to the last elders school i went to.
one of the parts in the section on appointments was discussing how we should not place too high a bar (human standards) for brothers to try and jump over when we are considering them for appointment as a ministerial servant.
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_Morpheus
I saw the same thing, time after time. Didnt matter how good a man was as a person, only the 3x5 card and its numbers mattered. By the time i woke up i was flat out telling brothers to lie and that ni one cared. Some were uncomfortable with that thought so i changed it to 'be generous and creative with time reporting'
i swear no longer elder is the thing i am happiest about
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Hitlers reaction to the Watchtower bunker video
by greenhornet inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cukt9ogwtds.
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_Morpheus
Positively brilliant!