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  What is the number 3 talk?

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was enjoying the funny memes thread https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4796195022045184/funny-ex-jw-memes.

  but what is the number 3 talk?

  there were a few references to that particular talk.

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  The men arnt commenting because we used to give hour long dissertations on the same stupid topics. If you think its hard vamping for 5 min with someone to interplay with try doing it for an hour with nothing but dull looks from a hundred people.

  Truthfully by the time i got appointed as an elder i had realized it was never about “the information” it was all about how you made the audience FEEL. Nothing else mattered. If it was a happy fun time talk, all you had to was hype them up with some fluff and put on a happy performance, end it up with some upbeat remarks nail the conclusion strong and they applaude like seals and go home FEELING upbeat. I swear it was so easy i stopped writting talks. I would wing the hell out of it and got rave reviews. I used to write assembly parts the day i practiced in front of the CO and would just add whatever his little remarks were before the actual assembly.

  Nobody really cared what you said as long as it made them feel like it was supposed to. Read a few scriptures, parrot some org doctrine and maybe throw in an illustration and you were a grade A speaker.

  Even when i was a full on believer i knew how jaded and borderline hypocritical it was but when you have a full time job and the org wants you to work another fulltime for free you do what you have to make it all fit a day.
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  What is the number 3 talk?

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was enjoying the funny memes thread https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4796195022045184/funny-ex-jw-memes.

  but what is the number 3 talk?

  there were a few references to that particular talk.

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  _Morpheus

  The one given after the number 2 and before the 4th
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  JW’s do NOT shun... (apprently)

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my quora campaign of answering all jw related questions truthfully with evidence is going well.

  however, one jw had the audacity to claim that "jws do not shun".

  they seem to want to present a fake, squeeky clean image to non-members and seem to get angry when answering questions regarding shunning.. like this asshole, dennis cybulski.

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  Those who were baptized as Jehovah’s Witnesses but no longer preach to others, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned. In fact, we reach out to them and try to rekindle their spiritual interest.

  Thats true, mostly. What it conveniently leaves out is that nobody claimed faders (the situation they describe) were shunned. We are refering to df’d People. They are in fact shunned.
  
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses Really Have No Power Over You Unless YOU Let It Happen!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  should i go to a judicial committee and perhaps get disfellowshipped?

  should i talk to the elders just because they say they want to talk to me?

  should i simply disassociate myself and have nothing to do with the organization?.

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  If nothing else, if you're trying to tell everyone else how to live in relation to the cult, your JW is showing.

  morphs law!
  
  
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  KH Hall doors to remain locked during meetings?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my mother in law told us this morning that they read a letter in her cong last night.

  from now on kh doors will be locked after 15 min of meeting start.

  only the fire exit (one way door) will remain unlocked.

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  Oh dear thor.....no. This is not because of some local protest. Its not about paranoia. Its not because the org is collapsing. Its not to increase donations. In big cities its ALWAYS, for many decades, been local policy to lock the doors.

  This letter was released in the usa at least a year ago. It was in response to a church shooting and the realization that khs were vunerable like anywhere else (cause their desert god cant stop a shooter).

  Everything dosent have a sinister motive. The gb aren't evil geniuses. They are reactionary at best and this is simple and easy to understand. Get a grip.
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  Suicides

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

  some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

  some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

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  Again, his intent, as expressed right the way through this thread is to bring the organisation down.
  If he achieves that, I will eat humble pie and literally bow down at his feet to thank him.

  You and me both. I have a long and glorious history of being 100% correct that org isnt collapsing and that no ones efforts have more than mere ripple in the oceans effect. Web sites like this one and jw facts are great and have helped multitudes, books likes ray franz have helped countless people, but in the end the org plods along. Newboys book wont bring the org down or even be a blib on the collective radar of the average jw. If i had to guess its impact will far less than rays book.

  Nonetheless the book hasn't read as bitter or vengeful in the least and as a former bethelite im very interested to read it in its entirety. Your results, of course, may vary.
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  Suicides

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

  some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

  some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

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  And he can look from the outside and see what was going on in peoples lives right before they killed themselves and draw reasonable inferences, if thats your standard.

  Read the excerpts of the book then talk to me. It dosent come across in any way as you’ve described. Ironic that you can see jack wagons protesting outside a convention with signs calling the gb pedos and all sorts of ridiculous claims as useful but you cant see the value in a well written first hand account of bethel life... oh wait. You havnt read it. Never mind.
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  Suicides

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

  some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

  some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

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  Everything about this book and the motives behind it is bitter and vengeful. It doesn't have any credibity at all.

  Ease up on that, exelder. I read every excerpt newboy posted and, as someone who was at bethel, i can tell you 100% his book has crediblity. I know some of the people he mentions many years afterwards) and the experiences he shares are dead on accurate with my own.

  As for his motives, you cant speak to that anymore than he can speak to someones reasons for taking their own life. Read the portions he shared on the board. They are a good read and dont accross bitter or vengeful in the least. Its an honest account of a bethelites life. For what its worth, i agree whole heartedly using the names of people who committed suicide is a bad bad idea, but that dosent change my opinion of the book.

  Also x2 everything sparky said. Well stated.
  
  
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  Mentally Retarded

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not long ago, jw.org claimed that those against the gb are mentally retarded.. today i found this background article:.

  https://medium.com/s/story/the-rise-and-fall-of-mentally-retarded-e3b9eea23018.

  it's something!.

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  I recall them saying “mentally diseased”. Not exactly the same thing but not any better, if you ask me.
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  Lawsuits For Dismissal From Corporation With Best Years Of Service No Benefits Under Required Signing Of Vow To Poverty

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i think this type of lawsuit might win against the watchtower corporation because it is such a inhuman act against a loyal long time full time service member.. portugal might have a serious case against the corporation for not taking care of it's elderly full time service members reguardless of any absolution of responsibility by forced signing of a vow of poverty..

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  Can you expand on the theme please
  the watchtower forced its member to sign a vow of poverty, and that means any type of benefits to their elderly people?
  (while the goberning body members wear a 25 thousand rolex as a nomal thing?

  No no thats not at all the situation. The reference is to bethel members who sign a vow of poverty to avoid the org paying unemployment taxes and wages.

  And ive never seen them wear Rolexes. Also submariners (the watch they appear to wear a knock off version of) dont cost 25k.