Posts by _Morpheus

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Feb Kingdom Ministry 2015: Irate Householders - why so angry?

by Trailer Park Pioneer in

feb kingdom ministry 2015, irate householders, "we don't apologize for our work", "did they hear rumors about jws"?

why so angry?

blood or disfellowshipping?.

_Morpheus

I like your synopsis terry. It describes very well the process and the reasons.

i find it noteworthy they choose those two particular examples of householder objecrions to our beliefs. I dont ever recall anybody using them on me at a door in my 25+ years as a wt salesmen. I heard plenty of others, but not those specifically, at least not that i recall or made an impression on me. It leads me to wonder if they are, as terry described, inocculating witnesses in advance from things they see are causing many to doubt and/or leave the org. I also like millie observation that those writing this clearly arnt at door offen, if ever.

edited to add: it also makes me sigh inside to see them move a step back towards militant witnessisium with the 'we don't apologize for our work crap'.

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Bizarre contrast of 'Gospel' Coprolite!

by DocHouse in

churches: jesus switched bodies for you and has risen!.

jw org: jesus has been ruling for 100 years!.

both equally ridiculous!~.

_Morpheus

I will take it one further..... Dubbies believe both. They believe jesus switched bodies AND that yes been ruling for 100 years

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What if WT will claim, that Jehovah has pulled a "Jonah and Nineveh" on them?

by prologos in

wt seems to be helpless in really dealing with the failed prophecies, pending dates, overlapping groups--.. what if they declare victory, blame jehovah, in that he allowed the nations to come to their senses and not further escalate the use of weaponry, "destroying [life on] the earth"?

in a second fulfillment of .

the "repentant ninevites, disappointed jonah" bible story?

_Morpheus

As some have already noted, there is simply no need for the comparison. They have survived 120+ years simply saying "soon now. Veeeeeery soon!". All they need is the carrot, not the proof or the reason. Using jonah would remove the carrot, in effect send the message that the "end" of this system was hindreds of years away. No chance that happens. They will just keep saying "soon now. Veeeeeery soon!". And dubbies will keep believing because its exactly what they want to hear.

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Poster country flags and privacy

by Simon in

the new forum originally had a little country flag next to each post showing the country that the post was made from based on the geoip encoding (the country the ip address is from).

before i switched over to the new site someone made an issue about it violating their privacy and i didn't want to complicate and confuse the switchover with policy debate at the same time as technical issues so removed the flags even though i disagreed.. someone has already requested it as a feature and i think it should be added back so i thought it's now time to open the discussion and get everyone's opinions.

first, the reason i think it should be shown:.

_Morpheus

Im a cautious guy and dont want my identiy revealed but country...? Come on. Thats sooooooo generic as to be laughable. Strickly as one individual i am hard pressed to see a country flag as in anyway revealing.

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2014 Grand Totals!

by Atlantis in

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.. .. atlantis!.

_Morpheus

On the retention ropic, its a fair question to ask, insidekh, but the answer is clear:

baptisum isnt the same as retention ;)

just as a small sample, 3 children in my family. All three were dunked. Only i am still considered active.

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LDC Semininar

by Sour Grapes in

jw
friends

ldc semininar @ patterson nov 15-18, 2014 .

entire ldc dept included remote workers/design/legal/real estate/purchasing.

oversight.

_Morpheus

@oub- i cannot say where he got his info but i can say for a certainty it is exactly what was said to the east coast ldc. As DB suggested its likely notes from the meeting. This information isnt something the wt would print. No need tok, its just to hype up the construction forced that are being shuffled around, many of whom seem to be disgruntled at the loss of local power

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thoughts on this week's meeting

by prologos in

first thing i noticed, a would-be elder with a suitcase-sized 'service' bag.

pretender.

but i thought:.

_Morpheus

No there was a letter to the BOE a few years ago advising the same provisions be made. In the washington DC area they rarely are. You get a few bucks on ocassion but not often enough....

as for it constituting a paid clergy...no, not in my view. 10 bucks and cheap lunch (which never happens) is in no way fair or just compensation for a part time job. Glad i quit ;)

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moses is funny

by user100 in

so this week's book study talks about how god spoke to the israelites directly and they were all afraid for their lives and then begged god to just speak directly to moses only.

from then on, god only spoke to moses.

how nice for moses.

_Morpheus

Lol there is a discussion on this very thing started by island man a little bit ago:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/25830001/wisdom-word-god-really-what-watchtower-got-wrong-this-weeks-congregation-bible-study#10290004

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Wisdom in "the Word of God". Really? What Watchtower got wrong at this week's Congregation "Bible" Study.

by Island Man in

the congregation "bible" study (cbs) for the week of december 29, 2014 to january 4, 2015 was taken from draw close to jehovah, pages 179-182, paragraphs 1-8.. paragraph 3 seems to be using the ancient jew's fear of jehovah's thunderous voice to justify the wisdom of him using moses to record and transmit his laws to the people.

but there is an implied false dichotomy here.

since god is supposedly almighty he is most certainly capable of giving a personal revelation of his requirements to every human in a clear, concise and unambiguous manner that they can fully understand and remember - without having to use his thunderous voice.

_Morpheus

I enjoyed reading everyones thoughts and comments on this. On ocassion i sit through the CBS just to make it look like i care and i had some very similar observations as island man. The whole study was head scratchingly obtuse, trying to convice us that 1) somehow the written word is infallible and 2) god almighty has no better means of commuincation than pen and paper.

If his written word is so infallible able then how did his very name get erased without his permision (according to dubbie tradition)? Hardly a case for accuracy when the author cant keep his oh so important name on his work.

as for point 2, island mans concept of personal revelation is far superior to any book and especially one that hasnt been updated verified or even commented on by its author for 2,000 years. Two. Thousand. Years.

As a side note to the lesson, they cited this scripture in exodus as part of the virtue of the written word as opossed to god talking directly (and unerringly)

Ex 20:18-20 "Now all the people were witnessing the thunder and lightning, the sound of the horn, and the mountain smoking; and seeing this made them tremble and stand at a distance. 19 So they said to Moses: “You speak with us, and we will listen, but do not let God speak with us, for fear that we will die.” 20 So Moses said to the people: “Do not be afraid, for the true God has come to put you to the test, in order that the fear of him may continue with you so that you may not sin.”

woe woe woe.... Wth??? I thought god didnt test anyone? And are you seriously telling me god cant use his inside voice to speak to us, he HAS to yell and thunder? He couldnt calmly chat with isreal and let them know what was up? The whole 'lesson' was a house of cards that falls apart with a modicum of thought.

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VOW OF OBEDIENCE AND POVERTY

by Coded Logic in

i didn't know the wtbts had an order.

anyone ever heard of the "order of full time servants" aka "the order" within the jehovah's witnesses?.

(below is a legal document from the wtbts).

_Morpheus

Yep, thats the vow i sogned when i went to bethel, as others have already commented. I always took it as a matter of not being able to sue them for slavery. They alsi made us sign a document conferring our bodies to them in the event we died while at bethel. They said it was to make it easier to ship our remains home and circumvent new york city laws but.... Well lets just say im glad it never came up.