Posts by _Morpheus

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Question for atheists and nonbelievers

by pressman in

i profess to teach the truth to you all and get you to all to think and believe.

believing in christ through his words and not through evil religious cults, like hoj and jw, can and will save you.

do you all realize that every time you are victorious and receive something of value through your hard work and sweat, it was our holy god who blessed you.

_Morpheus

Sorry dude, im not kissing hanks ass with you today if he wants to give the million dollars he knows my bank account #

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Having Faith in the Bible

by william draper in

i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .

we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .

i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .

_Morpheus

The fact is that we know that God allows these things to happen ;

Actually we DONT know that as a fact, you are simply stating it is so which dosent make it a fact at all.

which brings up another point ,

No it dosent since your first point wasnt actually a point and what you move onto isn't coherently connected by any supported conclusions but lets take a look anyway...

where do we find the best explanation as to why God allows these things to happen .

I assume you were going to tout the bible as answer to this strawman but you never even attempted to knock this particular strawman down. Instead you ignored it and went right to this:

I don't like this , but what can I do , what can we do , possibly as a people we are not doing enough of the right things , we allow so much corruption in our society , and then we look at God and say . . . we don't like what you do , and we are ourselves not doing right and making excuses for our selves .

Ahh the coup de grace! Its not gods fault but our own! We allow this so its our fault.... The problem is YOU were addressing the supposed superiority of the gods morality as expressed through jewish fairy tales. You cannot start with that premise and then switch it to 'oh look how bad we are' when it gets shot full of holes. Let the good lord stand on his record alone.

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Animal are so superior to "WT elders"

by TheFadingAlbatros in

animals are a gift from god.

they allow us to see god in depth and in all his ingenuity and his superiority.

men especially "wt elders" are unable to compete with animals to let us understand all the glory of the allmighty god

_Morpheus

As a former elder i find your need to specify them as particularly dumb to be curious. I am very fond of earths fauna and am facinated to no end with it, in all its attendant forms and do agree there much to be learned from it but i do not see how it is particularly or specifically more instructive to the middle managers of small american based cult than to anyone else. Perhaps you could elaborate on that aspect....?

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Jury Service in the UK

by Nambo in

i had always thought the powers that be knew i was a jw and so never called me up for jury service.. today however, i received a summons for jury service.. what is the jw's position on jury service?, what will happen to me when i refuse to swear an oath?.

_Morpheus

Just out of curiosity since you dont know the jw position on jury service why do you assume its wrong to swear an oath...?

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Having Faith in the Bible

by william draper in

i know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .

we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .

i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .

_Morpheus

William, you are twisting 7 ways to sunday on that interpretation. Lets really quote it and see what it says:

“If, however, the man happened to meet the engaged girl in the field and the man overpowered her and lay down with her, the man who lay down with her is to die by himself, 26 and you must do nothing to the girl. The girl has not committed a sin deserving of death. This case is the same as when a man attacks his fellow man and murders him. 27 For he happened to meet her in the field, and the engaged girl screamed, but there was no one to rescue her. 28 “If a man happens to meet a virgin girl who is not engaged and he seizes her and lies down with her and they are discovered, 29 the man who lay down with her must give the girl’s father 50 silver shekels, and she will become his wife. Because he humiliated her, he will not be allowed to divorce her as long as he lives.

the emphisis was on whether or not she was engaged, that is belonging to another man already. Nowhere at all do i see or read anything regarding maybe she was horney and wanted him and it was consentual.... It was presented as rape. He laid down with her but it wasnt all bad because she didnt belong to anyone anyway. He just had to marry her because no one else would now anyway.

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Setback

by EdenOne in

i saw this coming since my mother-in-law's funeral .... the congregation's "love-bombing" over my wife had its impact.

i watched her drawing closer and closer to her friends in the congregation.

then she decided she would attend the memorial.

_Morpheus

You cant. My wife made the same promise and has broken it.

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Setback

by EdenOne in

i saw this coming since my mother-in-law's funeral .... the congregation's "love-bombing" over my wife had its impact.

i watched her drawing closer and closer to her friends in the congregation.

then she decided she would attend the memorial.

_Morpheus

You are powerless. I m not trying to depress you but its truth. You can only show someone the path. You cannot make them walk it. Accepting what is and your limitations in forcing her to see or do things as you do is critical to happines. You will only lead yourself and her to misery trying to make her see things as you do. Present the truth, keep your view on it but respect her ultimate right to choose.

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Conn. Firefighter Who Is Jehovah's Witness Files Federal Discrimination Lawsuit

by Bangalore in

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conn. firefighter who is jehovah's witness files federal discrimination lawsuit.

http://www.ctlawtribune.com/id=1202722980377/conn-firefighter-who-is-jehovahs-witness-files-federal-discrimination-lawsuit#ixzz3xhkbpznt.

_Morpheus

Respectfully, nobody should be forced to salute the flag or partcipate in ceremonys they find objectionable. In our country thats what people and fought and died for, that very freedom of choice. and before he gets bashed too hard lets not overlook the fact that he is indeed a firefighter. He risks his life in public service for a comparatively modest salary. I am a utility worker and make far more than a firefighter in my locality. Its not a nessaey job function to raise a flag in order to fight a fire. As OTWO noted, let him perform some other task if he has a religious objection. I dont agree with this firefighters view but i certainly respect right to have it and keep his job.

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Setback

by EdenOne in

i saw this coming since my mother-in-law's funeral .... the congregation's "love-bombing" over my wife had its impact.

i watched her drawing closer and closer to her friends in the congregation.

then she decided she would attend the memorial.

_Morpheus

Eden, i cannot press the "like" button when someone says they want to die. Ive learned through others mistakes that its not always hyperbole or 'just an expression'. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Dont ever waste something so precious as YOUR life. Dont ever hurt those that love you in such final, drastic way.

I have been and still am in a similar situation. I spent three years playing tug of war with my wifes cult feelings. I tried and tried. I would get her outside interests to help ease her away and distract her. I would drop nuggets of truth about the truth. I would do everything i could to make our family more appealing than the cult. In the end its what she knows and it takes its toll. I havnt ever been able to make permanent progress and frankly its gotten worse. The return to the cult is like going back to a drug. Shes more addicted everytime she gets sucked back in.

While we all want to believe that every jw is brainwashed and would wake up if they were presented with just the right aspect of TTATT, the real truth is: its also a choice. Some people LIKE the cult. some people WANT the cult and we simply cannot force them to see it our way. Accepting that is just as much truth as learning that the org isnt gods representative on earth.

I feel your pain, in my own way, i live your pain, in my own way. nobodys life is without regret and sorrow. Dont ever give in to it. You have the power to make choices and live happy despite whatever obstacles there may be. Choose to keep fighting for her or choose to let her be a jw bit whatever choice you make i hope its to choose to keep living!

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by mrquik in

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i can't help but think how many committee meetings this photo would have generated.

this is on the caribbean side of cozumel at a quaint bar called mezcalito's.

this side of the island is virtually deserted.

_Morpheus

I will take his word for it ;)