Here in the states this was one of our Saturday morning goodies
_Morpheus
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Breakfast TV 80's FLUFF WARNING
by ScottyRex inwas just looking at a few of these clips on youtube from the 80's.... i remember getting up at 6am for my paperound in 1983/84.......ahhh the memories ;) .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh6xmnqcs5q.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gca3rbhksl4.
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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_Morpheus
Moster, slim is very well versed in wt doctrine. He IS a jw. He just likes to be controversial and throws ‘challanges’ arbitrarily (as in asking for a simple quote that he easily could have found)... it keeps things interesting i suppose.
Please understand i participate in the forum for the exchange of ideas and am always happy to share, its just eyerollingly petty for slim to not put 2 seconds of typing into something he likely knows already. The whole ransom thing is a basic part of jw doctrine, so much so its part of their baptism interview questions.
Any mild irritation you read into my responses is entirely goodnatured and directed at someone who doing a little soft trolling himself ;)
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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_Morpheus
Sigh... they have an answer (of course)
in a male dominated society adam was viewed as life giver. Adam screwed up so one perfect man could fix it and be life giver for all men (puke) thus jesus is called the last adam (puke again)
also nonbiblical jewish fairytales say adam had a wife before eve so it was believed the perfect woman was replaceable. The original creation, man (adam) was not.
All shit, but thats the wt answer and the jewish fairy tale answer
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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_Morpheus
Allow me to respond as follows..
1 and 2 (similar questions lead to the same answer so i am combining them) I absolutely believe that the major reason the adam and eve account is held to as literal by christians as a whole is that without a fallen first man there is no ransom needed ergo no importance to jesus. Working backwards they must believe in a literal genesis account to have foundation for their faith.
3) good question. Be it christianity islam etc etc humans seem to have a need to explain the past and chart the future. We like happy lies. Religion tickles the human need for hope and gives easy to follow directions. Basic programing for our basic brains. Only my theory.
4) in cult foggy days i took everything paul wrote as unassailable truth, because i was told to... having reevaluated with a bit more rational mind i am unclear why any christian accepts anything that pompous asshat said. He contradicts jesus and himself often, he wraps himself in false piety at times at other times he braggs to such a degree that he makes me want to pull him from his grave and slap him. Again, only my opinion
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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_Morpheus
Slim, your being insufferably lazy about this... you write novels about why you think the org is in finical ruins, complete with annotated footnotes and bibliography's, but your too lazy to do a simple google search for a BASIC teaching of jw’s? You need it spoon fed? You will research dozens of church's on the web before you visit them and come back and write us reviews but you wont refresh your memory on a religion you belong too?
Sigh... ok slim, let me blow on it to cool it off for you too....
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/the-ransom-jesus-sacrifice/
An entire article on jw org addressing the matter. A ss that addresses your specific question that i answered already but you still felt necessary to ask for a quote without looking yourself is here:
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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_Morpheus
Sigh... they claim its his sense of divine justice. A perfect life was lost so only a perfect life could redeem it. Thats the stupid simple version.
the longer stupid version is that a perfect man strayed from the divine path. Satan used this to call gods creation and his right to rule into question. Jesus lead a life of perfect obedience to the desert god thus proving that the creation wasnt flawed and that god had the right way to live.
Also fuck you slim for making me repeat that bullshit. I now need a shower.
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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me
by Doug Mason inaccording to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
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_Morpheus
They absolutely have said it was paid to the desert god. The phraseology is he “appeared in heaven to present the value of his ransom sacrifice”
of course its stupid, but all of christendom agrees on that particular piece of stupid.
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Charles Manson Is Dead
by Bangalore inhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/20/obituaries/charles-manson-dead.html.
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_Morpheus
50 years to late.
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2018 Memorial and Special Talk Speculation
by SplaneThisToMe inso we all know that the special talk titled "who really is jesus christ?
" will be given before the memorial next year which is very new.
also new this year is that the special talk will be prerecorded and given by a branch committee member rather than a brother from the local congregation.
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_Morpheus
I find myself in unframiler territory.... i agree with everything slim said. Theres no way they change the teaching. Why would they? They can do or say anything they want and jdubs will simply go along wit it. There is no impetus or any need whatsoever to change it. Move along. Nothing to see here.
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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?
by poopie inwhat do you think there hiding?.
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_Morpheus
Fisher, it took you 24 hours to come up with that?
Give it a rest. Your foaming at the mouth trying to defend the indefensible. You seem duty bound to defend the org at all costs. You have reached for strawmen in virtually every post and when not setting up strawmen your attempting to bury any possible discussion under a torrent of verbal vomit.
I surrender my don quixote quest to have a reasonable and coherent discussion with you on this topic. Fear not, your watchtower windmill of infallibility is safe.