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  KH Hall doors to remain locked during meetings?

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  my mother in law told us this morning that they read a letter in her cong last night.

  from now on kh doors will be locked after 15 min of meeting start.

  only the fire exit (one way door) will remain unlocked.

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  _Morpheus

  Oh dear thor.....no. This is not because of some local protest. Its not about paranoia. Its not because the org is collapsing. Its not to increase donations. In big cities its ALWAYS, for many decades, been local policy to lock the doors.

  This letter was released in the usa at least a year ago. It was in response to a church shooting and the realization that khs were vunerable like anywhere else (cause their desert god cant stop a shooter).

  Everything dosent have a sinister motive. The gb aren't evil geniuses. They are reactionary at best and this is simple and easy to understand. Get a grip.
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  Suicides

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

  some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

  some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

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  Again, his intent, as expressed right the way through this thread is to bring the organisation down.
  If he achieves that, I will eat humble pie and literally bow down at his feet to thank him.

  You and me both. I have a long and glorious history of being 100% correct that org isnt collapsing and that no ones efforts have more than mere ripple in the oceans effect. Web sites like this one and jw facts are great and have helped multitudes, books likes ray franz have helped countless people, but in the end the org plods along. Newboys book wont bring the org down or even be a blib on the collective radar of the average jw. If i had to guess its impact will far less than rays book.

  Nonetheless the book hasn't read as bitter or vengeful in the least and as a former bethelite im very interested to read it in its entirety. Your results, of course, may vary.
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  Suicides

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

  some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

  some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

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  _Morpheus

  And he can look from the outside and see what was going on in peoples lives right before they killed themselves and draw reasonable inferences, if thats your standard.

  Read the excerpts of the book then talk to me. It dosent come across in any way as you’ve described. Ironic that you can see jack wagons protesting outside a convention with signs calling the gb pedos and all sorts of ridiculous claims as useful but you cant see the value in a well written first hand account of bethel life... oh wait. You havnt read it. Never mind.
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  Suicides

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

  some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

  some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

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  _Morpheus

  Everything about this book and the motives behind it is bitter and vengeful. It doesn't have any credibity at all.

  Ease up on that, exelder. I read every excerpt newboy posted and, as someone who was at bethel, i can tell you 100% his book has crediblity. I know some of the people he mentions many years afterwards) and the experiences he shares are dead on accurate with my own.

  As for his motives, you cant speak to that anymore than he can speak to someones reasons for taking their own life. Read the portions he shared on the board. They are a good read and dont accross bitter or vengeful in the least. Its an honest account of a bethelites life. For what its worth, i agree whole heartedly using the names of people who committed suicide is a bad bad idea, but that dosent change my opinion of the book.

  Also x2 everything sparky said. Well stated.
  
  
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  Mentally Retarded

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not long ago, jw.org claimed that those against the gb are mentally retarded.. today i found this background article:.

  https://medium.com/s/story/the-rise-and-fall-of-mentally-retarded-e3b9eea23018.

  it's something!.

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  I recall them saying “mentally diseased”. Not exactly the same thing but not any better, if you ask me.
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  Lawsuits For Dismissal From Corporation With Best Years Of Service No Benefits Under Required Signing Of Vow To Poverty

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i think this type of lawsuit might win against the watchtower corporation because it is such a inhuman act against a loyal long time full time service member.. portugal might have a serious case against the corporation for not taking care of it's elderly full time service members reguardless of any absolution of responsibility by forced signing of a vow of poverty..

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  Can you expand on the theme please
  the watchtower forced its member to sign a vow of poverty, and that means any type of benefits to their elderly people?
  (while the goberning body members wear a 25 thousand rolex as a nomal thing?

  No no thats not at all the situation. The reference is to bethel members who sign a vow of poverty to avoid the org paying unemployment taxes and wages.

  And ive never seen them wear Rolexes. Also submariners (the watch they appear to wear a knock off version of) dont cost 25k.
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  German branch stats: the number of KHs has decreased by 1/8 during the past 7 years

  by Corney in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  according to its own statistics, the jw organization in germany had 1075 kingdom halls in august 2011, 997 khs in november 2016, and 940 ones in august 2018. .

  the average decrease was 1.25 khs per month in 2011-2016 and 2.7 khs per month during the past two years.. .

  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16znuhftwpwq1nf_9jidc_srarst0errjssgcuxkbl8a/edit?usp=sharing .

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  _Morpheus

  So where did the chart come from ...? You trust the chart for kh numbers but not publisher numbers?
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  Can you disassociate on your last judicial committee for apostasy?

  by jwdoctrine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi guys, i have been summoned to a judicial committee for apostasy.

  i'm going to disassociate anyway but i don't want to miss the fun .i'm thinking of handing my letter of dissociation on the night of the committee.do you think this is a good idea?.

  as i said i have already made my mind up.

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  _Morpheus

  The announcement is still the same and they will tell "everyone" you were disfellowshipped for apostasy regardless of a last minute DA.

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  • No need to write to the members of the congregation.a mass text will do

    that is.... a pretty good idea. It shows up to everyone at the same time and thus nobody can warn anyone else not to read it. If your going to burn bridges you at least know everyone saw the message. Make it thoughtful and not bitter sounding. It may ring with some of those that see it.
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  German branch stats: the number of KHs has decreased by 1/8 during the past 7 years

  by Corney in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  according to its own statistics, the jw organization in germany had 1075 kingdom halls in august 2011, 997 khs in november 2016, and 940 ones in august 2018. .

  the average decrease was 1.25 khs per month in 2011-2016 and 2.7 khs per month during the past two years.. .

  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16znuhftwpwq1nf_9jidc_srarst0errjssgcuxkbl8a/edit?usp=sharing .

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  _Morpheus

  And yet total publishers is up. Who cares
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  Suicides

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

  some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

  some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

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  _Morpheus

  I can understand the concern with gathering names of those who commited suicide and attributing the cult as the motive in a book dedication.

  However, when did it become against the rules to promote or mention a book on this site? It gets done ALL the time. Otwo and terry have done it over and over. Not a complaint,btw, as i think terry is a writer of superior talent and skill and otwo has always struck me as reasonable fellow with an interesting view point, but its done ALL the time. Dubstep promotes his pod cast with every single post. Its called “shunned” in case you missed the first 50k times he mentioned it. Not a complaint with respect to dub either. Those stories are important to get out and hearing them first hand in an interview, spoken by the individual effected seems a valuable thing... but how is new boys book any different? Hes posted dozens of excerpts over the past few years and its all legitimate jw experiances, exactly like terrys book.

  If the line is asking for suicide names, no argument. If its promoting works by exjw’s then there more one person effected.