Posts by Flash

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Why are honest questions considered apostasy?

by Rayvin in

this is why as i was growing up (raised in "the truth") i never asked questions.

i never understood the birthday issue among other holidays.

i never asked because i was scared i would be looked at as an apostate or as someone being worn down by the wicked association.

Flash

Rayvin

Everytime they talk to me about going back to the meetings or about the conventions..etc i get sick to my stomach. I can't hear one more hypocrytical talk. "loving kindness" " non-judging" MY BUTT!

Your exactly right! The GB are mostly self-righteous hypocrites and those Elders that support them are no better.

Why are honest questions considered apostacy??? CONTROL, its all about controling the sheeplike masses. Its not at all what God or His Son intended...Remember Abraham questioned God at length!

Welcome to JWD!

PS: I recently decided to put Birthdays, Mothers Day and Fathers Day back ON my calender. The Witness logic just isn't suffient to abstain any longer...The same is true for gambling, I don't love money but I do enjoy having a good time with it, winning or losing...Though I do set a limit for my losses.

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Who is directing them?

by barbar in

jws claim to be led by god.

he is directing their organisation by his spirit.. they believe that smoking is wrong, in fact a disfellowshipping offense.

so why did god not tell them that smoking was wrong?.

Flash

Who is directing them? From what I see biblicaly they are directing themselves. Bible history shows God as using minimal influence on His people after setting them up as an organization / nation. It's been the same with Christianity, 1st century and present day. Bible history shows God points them in the right direction and lets them go on their own. Since Adam and Eve God has used a mostly 'hands off' approach in managing His people. He is definately not guilty of the oppressive, intrusive, heavy handed and micro-managing ways of those leading the His people today. IMO...the GB is split between those slaves that are faithful and those that are evil, and I do believe the evil have had the greater influence since 1914 when the end didn't come as expected. Matthew 24: 48 - 51 and Luke 12: 45 - 48 Also, the Law Code was nailed to the stake with Jesus and died when He died. God's Christain worshipers are now taken from'every tribe, nation and tongue' bringing with them every type of culture with its various customs such as dress and grooming, dating and courtship, music and art, etc... Christianity has 'set us free' from the law. The Governing Body has been bringing us back to it little by little, year after year. They are just like the Christainized Jews who continued to preach circumcision and insisting the gentile converts obey the Law of Moses. Acts chapters 15 and 10.

We have much more God given freedom as Christians to live our lives than most of us realize.

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Isn't caffeine a drug?

by Fatfreek in

during the early days of the wt tobacco ban i can recall the six month (or so) leeway period in which baptized ones who were still using tobacco could quit those nasty habits.

i also recall one of those elderly brothers at that time who always reeked of smoke on his breath and his clothes.

i actually felt sorry for this smoker who had done this since childhood.

Flash

luna2

Some people cannot consume any honey at all. Similarly, for health reasons some may need to avoid alcohol, caffeine, dairy products, or other foods and beverages. Others may avoid such things by personal choice or because of widespread local sensitivity, not wanting to offend anyone. This reminds us of the apostle Paul’s comment: "If food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat flesh at all, that I may not make my brother stumble."—1 Corinthians 8:13.

Here is an excellant example of Paul's unbalanced reasoning...Don't work on making those people who are more sensitive to something 'stronger,' just surrender all personal freedoms to their weaknesses indefinately! I'm not saying we should ignore a persons weakness, but permenately alter our behavior until those weaker become stronger? How? On they're own? That is only one way to handle the problem, and personaly, I think it is the worst way to handle it. It allows the correctness of views of those sensitive to remain unchallenged and doesn't encourage personal growth OR respect and tolorance for differing views from them. Besides, differing viewpoints are partly how social cultures develope and evolve. Individual persons with agreeing viewpoints come together, and, over time, form a society of like minded, like feeling individuals. It's a normal proccess.

What does that mean? Sometimes this stumble bumble stuff wears me out.

Tell me about it. The GB has always used the fear of 'stumbling' someone to wrongly influence and steer the congregation in whatever direction they want.

PS: Hey Homey!

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"And war broke out in heaven" - Why and how?

by truthseeker in

i don't know if anyone has brought up the subject of "the war in heaven" before, but i have a few questions.

maybe leolaia could help out with this one.

revelation 12 talks about a war in heaven - now this is not just any war.

Flash

And you thought angels were only messengers??

This account shows that angels (demons included) differ in power and strength and abilities.

Any angles to these bizarre accounts in the Bible?

At first I accepted this because I hadn't given it much thought before. Now I believe they have their own diverse society with varying cultures and live semi-autonomous lives similar to us.
The more I considered the known hierarchy, I came to believe that God is at the top of the power pyramid. With each type of intelligent creation being created (including His Son) being made less powerful than the ones before. As humans, I believe we're at bottom of the pyramid of 'intelligent' life.
It seems God allowed those who ceased obeying Him to remain in heaven to mingle among the faithful allowing them time to do their best to persuade others to reject Gods authority...during this time one third left. I wonder what steps God took to limit the losses while this was happening or if He allowed the messege of the rebellion to be spread unanswered and was strictly a time limit thing?

Also, it does seem creation is multi-diamensional, with at least 3 heavens mentioned in the bible. Based on observing our physical diamension, I'm inclined to believe there are a great many, not just 3 or 7 or 10 but possibly millions, if not billions.

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Hard Evidence of Life After Death, is there any?

by Blueblades in

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are you a blind believer or do you have evidence of a continued existence beyond physical death either personal in nature or from scientifically valid sources?.

blueblades

Flash

Hard Evidence of Life After Death, is there any?

Like finding Noahs Ark, thats been the quest of life times. OBE's / Near Death Experiances have been, and I'm sure still are, being looked at for hard evidence. IMO, they're one and the same and a natural ability we all have while we're alive in the flesh.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 6-19-05 WT Study (Resurrection 3)

by blondie in

thing.

other again on earth one day.

10, published by jehovah's witnesses.

Flash

The WTS always thinks it has the most correct view possible, no matter what the subject or the content of the view itself.

When resurrected ones discover what God's

Kingdom is accomplishing in fulfilling Jehovah's purpose for the earth,

... Everyone living will delight in sharing

in the vast educational work needed to teach the billions returning from the

grave, who will also need to accept God's ransom provision.

Their overlooking the vast RE-educational work that also has to be done to God's people. Freeing them from the negitive conditioning they've recieved from all man made rules the GB has heaped on them over the decades. Matthew 15: 3, 9, 13 and 14

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A couple of additional observations.

Translation: Resurrection due to time and unforeseen circumstance. There is no guarantee that individual JWs will survive until the great tribulation, to be able to live through it.

I'm begining to believe that the GT is started by man and/or Satan. The way the scripture reads, it doesn't appear to me that God starts it, the scriptures say that it "occurs" and that God 'cuts it short'...and unless God halted it, " no flesh would be saved." Matthew 24: 21, 22 and Mark 13: 19, 20. So it might not be a 'given' that 'faithful witnesses' will ALL survive it and not need a resurrection.

Christ’s reign of a thousand years begins
In the Time is at Hand, Russell point to 1872 as the end of 6,000 years of human history and that the Millennium would start in 1914.
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Millions Now Living Will Never Die Pamphlet

This is why I believe the Evil Slave arrived right after, or perhaps during the end of, Russell's reign. Matthew 24: 48, 49, Luke 12: 45, 46 ( Habakkuk 2: 3, 4, Matthew 24: 44 and 25: 1-12, 19, Mark 4: 24, 25 and 13: 33-37, Luke 12: 35-38 )

Thanks again Blondie for your time and effort in putting these reviews together!

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UN Question

by kilroy2 in

i was thinking about the society being involved in the un, and then thought that they preached that the un was going to destroy all religion [nondubber] soon.

so when they got involved in the un do you think it was because they know that they are full of shit?

or do they justify their bull shit by some nonsensical reasoning?

Flash

I have to believe that like eeveryone else they have moments of self awareness but suppress it in favor of the illusion.

I'll go with that. Didn't we all, as a matter of course, suppress the reality for the lie while we were 'loyal witnesses'?

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Keep On The Watch - Week of June 20

by ezekiel3 in

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why should we love one another?.

Flash

18 Today, too, many people have been spiritually neglected and misled...

Yeah, and they're right there in in front of you in the KH's! Matthew 9: 36, Luke11: 42, 43, 46

...and are without hope.

Fortunately not, but you aren't part of their salvation! Luke 12: 46-48, Matthew 7: 22, 23

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UN Question

by kilroy2 in

i was thinking about the society being involved in the un, and then thought that they preached that the un was going to destroy all religion [nondubber] soon.

so when they got involved in the un do you think it was because they know that they are full of shit?

or do they justify their bull shit by some nonsensical reasoning?

Flash

or do they justify their bull shit by some nonsensical reasoning?

I have the opposite opinion from Skyway (no offence). I think they believe their 'God's Channel' completely, that their 100% deluded in their thinking. So NO MATTER what they come up with on ANYTHING...it came from God first!

And yes, no matter what they do wrong, their nonsensical reasoning will MAKE them correct!

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A jw snopes type web site?

by Check_Your_Premises in

any who have checked out snopes.com, know that it is a very effective baloney detection device.

it is amazing how many phoney stories end up coming some so many credible sources.

for the dubs, the urban legend serves an important function of protecting and bolstering their faith.

Flash

You know, I used to be afraid of cemeteries too, when I was a part of the world." Whereupon the "worldly" woman fainted unconscious to the ground.

LOL, that's funny!