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  What are some Bible verses that contradict (or weaken) the DF policy?

  by somebodylovesme in

  1. watchtower
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  .. let me say straight off that i am not that familiar with the bible (my husband is an inactive jw.. i never was in the religion).

  but i thought i read once a bible story in which jesus went to visit someone who was seen as an immoral person, and said that they needed him the most?

  are there any other verses/stories that carry this theme and would weaken the jw's policy of disfellowshipping?.

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  somebodylovesme

  Wow, again, thanks everyone. Guest77, your letter looks like it was extraordinary.

  I am saving all these for now, because I fear I might need to use them in the future...

  SLM
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  What are some Bible verses that contradict (or weaken) the DF policy?

  by somebodylovesme in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  .. let me say straight off that i am not that familiar with the bible (my husband is an inactive jw.. i never was in the religion).

  but i thought i read once a bible story in which jesus went to visit someone who was seen as an immoral person, and said that they needed him the most?

  are there any other verses/stories that carry this theme and would weaken the jw's policy of disfellowshipping?.

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  somebodylovesme

  Thank you all so much!! This is very helpful. :)
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  What are some Bible verses that contradict (or weaken) the DF policy?

  by somebodylovesme in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  .. let me say straight off that i am not that familiar with the bible (my husband is an inactive jw.. i never was in the religion).

  but i thought i read once a bible story in which jesus went to visit someone who was seen as an immoral person, and said that they needed him the most?

  are there any other verses/stories that carry this theme and would weaken the jw's policy of disfellowshipping?.

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  somebodylovesme

  .. Let me say straight off that I am not that familiar with the Bible (my husband is an inactive JW.. I never was in the religion). But I thought I read once a Bible story in which Jesus went to visit someone who was seen as an immoral person, and said that they needed him the most? Or something like that? are there any other verses/stories that carry this theme and would weaken the JW's policy of disfellowshipping?

  Thanks!!

  SLM
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  Any ex-JWs from Tennesee? I met a JW whose family might use this board...

  by somebodylovesme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  let's see if i can explain this a little better.

  i actually went to meeting two weeks ago (husband is an inactive dub, and we went to oblige his family while we were home visiting on a school break) -- the brother giving the talk is brand new to the area.

  he is from tennesse, although i'm not sure where.

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  Let's see if I can explain this a little better. I actually went to meeting two weeks ago (husband is an inactive dub, and we went to oblige his family while we were home visiting on a school break) -- the brother giving the talk is brand new to the area. He is from Tennesse, although I'm not sure where. He went on a ten-minute tirade during the talk (topic: "bad associations") about the evils of the Internet...

  He said that his mother, who was raised a Witness, was strong in her faith until she bought a laptop and got online. She then found a website that sounded like it would be an official JW site (which makes me think it is this site), started reading the rants of 'apostates', and abandoned the faith -- and that now, of course, he will not even open the mail she sends.

  I don't know exactly why I'm posting this, except that I thought maybe somebody might be interested.

  ... I did think it was interesting that the Internet and websites like this were discussed at a meeting.

  -- slm
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  JWs do NOT try to be separate from the world - AND a rant on "government"..

  by somebodylovesme in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if jws are trying to be separate from the world, then why do they do a lot of wordly things?

  why do they watch tv?

  isn't that "worldly" influence?

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  If JWs are trying to be separate from the world, then why do they do a lot of wordly things?

  Why do they watch TV? Isn't that "Worldly" influence? Same with movies, secular music, video games, fictional books, etc. It's all propaganda of the SYSTEM, right?

  Why do they socialize with worldly people? Okay, this one is probably more sanctioned than the first, but come on. I was never a Witness, but growing up, my two best friends were Witnesses. (Which, coincidentally, is how I met my now-husband, how is now an ex-JW) ... I was taken along on vacations with their families, for pete's sake. The Witness parents loved me. Me! A worldly girl! gasp! At least around here, it is very common for Witnesses to have wordly friends.

  ... and a little off the question, but it's hard to buy the whole "Government is evil" thing when they gladly buy into all the benefits of the government. Public education, public roads, utilities, public health care in SOME countries, social security, welfare (am I right on that one?)... lots of things you don't hear them complaining about. How do they suggest we live right now WITHOUT government? Can you fathom the chaos that would ensue without government? We cannot - and have not for millenia - existed without government of some kind. (Read some evolutionary biology texts if you want a look at theories of government in pre-civilized times.) Is their only argument that if EVERYONE were a Witness, the Watchtower could run the world? Well, then there would be no wicked ones to kill! So how would the world run if there were no government, as they seem to advocate?

  sigh. Just my rants.

  SLM
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  Is STUDYING political science a disfellowshipping offense?

  by somebodylovesme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my inactive husband and i are weighing the pros and cons of eventually moving back to his hometown, where his witness family is.

  we love his family... they are the best people i have ever known, despite being jws.

  my husband was raised a witness, was baptised at the age of 11 (which is ridiculous in my opinion), and starting distancing himself when he turned 18. he has been completely inactive for about a year and a half, married me (a worldly girl, ooooh) and is now in grad school for political science.

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  amac - good point. hmmmm very subtly, but no one knows. (oooooooo) We have agreed that when we have children (many years from now!) we will do very low-key celebrations. If we lived in that town, we would probably refrain from doing much. My family lives in a different part of the state, and we do spend some holiday times with them - a fact his family pretends not to notice, of course. :) It's just a COINCIDENCE we'll be at my parents' house on Christmas... riiiiight.

  But point well taken. As long as we are living outside the organization, I'm sure rules are being broken... I just hope so much he never gets DF'ed. :(

  SLM
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  Is STUDYING political science a disfellowshipping offense?

  by somebodylovesme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my inactive husband and i are weighing the pros and cons of eventually moving back to his hometown, where his witness family is.

  we love his family... they are the best people i have ever known, despite being jws.

  my husband was raised a witness, was baptised at the age of 11 (which is ridiculous in my opinion), and starting distancing himself when he turned 18. he has been completely inactive for about a year and a half, married me (a worldly girl, ooooh) and is now in grad school for political science.

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  lol, no, he's not... I'm sure he's already a bad associate, of course. I think part of his safety is that the elders always LOVED him and wished their own children were so good. Very small community and small congregation, and he was everyone's favorite. I think they have turned a bit of a blind eye to him... no one tried to talk to him during the year and a half he was inactive and was living with his parents!!
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  Is STUDYING political science a disfellowshipping offense?

  by somebodylovesme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my inactive husband and i are weighing the pros and cons of eventually moving back to his hometown, where his witness family is.

  we love his family... they are the best people i have ever known, despite being jws.

  my husband was raised a witness, was baptised at the age of 11 (which is ridiculous in my opinion), and starting distancing himself when he turned 18. he has been completely inactive for about a year and a half, married me (a worldly girl, ooooh) and is now in grad school for political science.

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  My inactive husband and I are weighing the pros and cons of eventually moving back to his hometown, where his Witness family is. We LOVE his family... they are the best people I have ever known, despite being JWs. My husband was raised a Witness, was baptised at the age of 11 (Which is RIDICULOUS in my opinion), and starting distancing himself when he turned 18. He has been completely inactive for about a year and a half, married me (a worldly girl, ooooh) and is now in grad school for political science. He is not politically active per se ... just academically interested.

  Now, I have reservations about ever living too close to his hometown again, simply because I don't want him to get DF'ed. He has never done anything else that would merit DF'ing... we were the picture of morality before marriage, he's always been pretty well-behaved, and he doesn't have any "lifestyle" practices that the Witnesses could call into question, except not attending meetings, of course. But being inactive isn't really a disfellowshipping offense, is it?

  Could studying political science be a disfellowshipping offense? He doesn't think it would be, I think it could be construed that way. We wouldn't be looking at moving back there for another four years or so (until we are both done with grad school), but it is something that has been on my mind.

  Thanks for listening!

  SLM
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  Return To God, and He WIll Forgive You in a Large Way!

  by AwakenedAndFree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did you leave the watchtower society and the true god ,too?.

  i believe that god still helps some of the of the ones still "traped" in the org.

  - god helped me greatly while i was still in.

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  somebodylovesme

  The way I see it, the biblical "God" cannot be loved unselfishly. There is something in it for the believer. It's frickin blackmail. "Love me or die." Is that really unconditional love? No. "Love me or burn in hell/cease to exist/don't get to live in my playground"... IMO, only humans could come up with something so vicious and selfish. If there is a supreme being, I'm sure its love is unconditional - not based on someone's thoughts or beliefs.

  Anyway, I have a million more thoughts on this, but I will save them for another post altogether...

  SLM
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  I am going to an all JW wedding in a few hours...

  by logansrun in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...yes, i have been taking those "stupidity" pills again.

  it's a family thing....my 21 year old cousin is getting married to this freshly turned 18 year old dub chick.

  i'm sure the sex will be just incredible for them tonight, hahahahahahahahaha..... .

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  somebodylovesme

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