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  Crisis of Conscience online or ebook?

  by lookingnow25 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have no 'safe' way of reading a physical copy of this book really.

  but after flipping through a copy at the university library here i finally want to examine it.

  is there a copy online anywhere, or someway that i can view it on my computer?

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  Atilla

  It so sad that people have to sneak around reading books, just like in Fahrenheit 451.

  Wouldn't it be great if the WT shut down and the last book they printed before complete termination was Crisis of Conscience. I'm sure old Ray wouldn't mind.
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  The UN Debacle

  by betty boop in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now i have been reading about the wts association with the un and trying to gain a better perspective to what happened.

  im a little confused as to what their wrong doing was really?

  i can understand its hypocritcal for them to associate with a political organization but they claim it was just for research purposes and if thats the case what other option did they have?

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  Atilla

  In my rural area there really wasn't much to do and the only place to play raquetball was the YMCA 30 minutes away. I was personally counselled along with others for simply visiting as a guest, not even becoming a member. The UN debacle is just another example of how ridiculous the WT is, nitpicking at everything members do but totally ignoring their own blunders. Everyday as a witness, especially if you are a JW kid, you live in constant fear that you may be breaking some WT rule or upsetting God, yet some of the highest officials can simply sign the WT up as a NGO just because they can continue to use the library at the UN or so they claim.
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  WT Paradox: ``In Your Face" Religion, Reclusive GB

  by Room 215 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it struck me that, for all the emphasis they put on evangelism and public preaching, the borg's leaders are actually a reclusive, shadowy lot.

  the only large audiences they will address are their own members, they rarely grant interviews and never seek opportunities to lead by preaching their message in a public or media forum.

  quite the contrary; in the one instance where jaracz made an appearanace (cornered by a bbc reporter), he came across as combative, and mean-spirited hardly as a spiritual leader of six million-plus.

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  Atilla

  Maybe they are like Darth Vader, unapproachable and strong looking but in reality frail and weak on the inside. Of course maybe you don't see them anymore because they are all dead!
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  my husband is my step brother

  by Mulan in

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  does anyone else have unusual family connections?

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  Atilla

  This is a bit off topic but we had this couple in our KH that were married and were 1st cousins and no, I was in no way related to them. There kids were somewhat slow, I guess they were waiting on Jehovah to fix the problem.
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  Just called Bethel

  by Atilla in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they take a long lunch break, 12-1, so i had to call back.

  i decided to call because i wanted to hear the defense they would give because i just emailed my parents the un ngo pdf.

  well, right away he went into the library card excuse saying that back in 91 wt representatives were forced to sign paperwork so they could continue to use the library.

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  Atilla

  They take a long lunch break, 12-1, so I had to call back. I decided to call because I wanted to hear the defense they would give because I just emailed my parents the UN NGO pdf. Well, right away he went into the library card excuse saying that back in 91 WT representatives were forced to sign paperwork so they could continue to use the library. Then he tried the line that it doesn't really matter anyways because even if you are a NGO, it doesn't mean you are in the UN. I said that is correct but even if you are a NGO, you still must uphold the prinicples of the UN.

  I went on talk about magazine articles that have given the UN a positive light. Then he said well, the WT just regards the UN just like any other government organization, and we use them because we pay taxes. I said you have to pay taxes but you don't have to sign paper work to belong to a library at the UN. He failed to see the connection. Then the WT man quoted W Oct 1, 95 pg 7 as evidence that the Org. has given a balanced view of the UN but that Jehovah's organization is the only solution. Then he rattled on about how the WT is the only organization on earth that has true love and that is the most important thing, like I couldn't find love anywhere else.

  Well, I learned really nothing from this call, and I'm probably dumber for calling. Also, it is very insulting how they ask you if are disfellowshipped, like they wouldn't continue the call if I was, what pricks. Sadly, I think if my parents called, they would be snowballed right away.
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  POLL----Will The Witness Religion Ever Cease To Exist?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think jws will be around forever.

  i do believe they will, as time goes on, lose many or most of their members.

  but i do think that there will always be some around to continue the religion....maybe years from now they'll become more mainstream, i don't know.

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  Atilla

  The question should be-Will stupidity ever cease to exist? --there's your answer.
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  Running for your life

  by Atilla in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw the running of bulls is this week in spain and that several people have already got trampled, not seriously-everyone is still alive.

  i know dubs would never condone this activity and i think i might actually agree on this one.

  i would have to be pretty wasted to try my luck but then of course that might lower my chances.

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  Atilla

  I saw the running of bulls is this week in Spain and that several people have already got trampled, not seriously-everyone is still alive. I know dubs would never condone this activity and I think I might actually agree on this one. I would have to be pretty wasted to try my luck but then of course that might lower my chances. So would you run, yes, no, if you got paid?
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  I'm so damn over it

  by logansrun in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  folks,.

  well, i'm done with the whole witness thing.

  i've had my catharsis and have noticed the jws slowly fading from my consciousness.

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  Atilla

  Congratulations, I'm not sure if I will ever be over it completely. Of course I'm out but as long as my parents are still in, the subject will keep coming up.
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  Old JW books & Apostate literature

  by AuSet in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had a funny experience at work the other day.

  i'm working at a christian college for the summer as an electrical apprentice....we've been in the library for the last couple of weeks, and i happened to discover several old, old jw books (the old paradise lost book, and many others) right alongside of crisis of conscience, and several other "apostate books" .....whoo hoo, was i excited!

  all the jw literature had taped written warnings on the outside of the book covers, saying "do not read for any purpose other than to study the jw religion!!

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  Atilla

  The librarian there must have a sense of humour-why else would Ray's book be in the fiction section with the old WT publications?
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  How Many XJWs Who's Christianity Is Now Progressive In Nature?

  by Eden in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from my observation of walking away from the org eight years ago..it seems..that most xjw's are either fundamental protestants...or on left side as athiests.....so, i was wondering, any xjws here who's christianity is now progressive (non-fundamentalists) in nature?

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  Atilla

  No, not a chance. Agnostic and increasingly athiest by the day. Sorry, there isn't enough time to waste it like that.