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5 word story

by Paradise Found in

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kind of simple if i start... " this board means to me.......

Power of the Mind?

by Frannie Banannie in

i've been here on jwd since last august (?

)....i've read and posted and begun some threads that addressed beliefs in the paranormal and spirituality and i'm truly wondering now.....it seems paranormal or spiritual experiences (even my own) are the products of what we've been led to believe....or been taught to believe.....do any of yall find this to be true for you?

i can even remember having a pre-borg "out-of-body" experience, simply because i read a book on the subject and consciously decided to do it..... if so, what does the possibility of retraining our minds to actually believe only good things for ourselves and our loved ones hold for the future?.

one_ugly_time

Language both allows us to function and limits our perceptions.

Yes, language, as it is normally refered to -- as a communication tool -- allows us to function as a society but also limits our perceptions... those limits are in direct proportion to the common language of those that are communicating...

Actually, language is extremely important for (abstract) thought.

I believe just the opposite... it is abstract thought in particular that has no spoken language, as in dialect... it is only possible to convey most abstract information through other methods of communication that utilize one of our 5 senses... language itself is missing...

When a musician composes music, there are no words to express what he is trying to accomplish... There are words to express what he does accomplish - like arpeggio, cresendo, etc... ie, a vocubalary, in some language, that will convey from one musician to another the overall meaning and connectivity from one note drawn on the paper to the next note drawn... Those notes, in of themselves, are part of a language, but in no way do they represent or truly communicate to another person, even a musician, until that are processed by the receiver. This processing is considered thought... although no language is used... Another musician can process this information without every "hearing" it as they can assimilate that respresentation whereas some individuals would need simply to hear the score played on a single instrument and yet others would need to hear the score played by the orchestra before the original composition was communicated...

When you hear a song or see a piece of art that somehow touches you emotionally, try to find the words you thought when this happened... My guess is, you can't... language was momentarily bypassed... you saw, felt, and assimilated something relative to you and only you... As you begin to make sense of that experience, you utilize concrete thought, ie language... to represent and convey what just happened.

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would you hit a woman if she hit you first? (for men)

by pudd in

i would like to as the men on the board a question.

if your wife/partner were to slap you during an argument, would you feel that if you were you to hit back it would make you equal?.

we all know that violance, no matter how minor is wrong, but this is a question about equality.

one_ugly_time

Nope

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Power of the Mind?

by Frannie Banannie in

i've been here on jwd since last august (?

)....i've read and posted and begun some threads that addressed beliefs in the paranormal and spirituality and i'm truly wondering now.....it seems paranormal or spiritual experiences (even my own) are the products of what we've been led to believe....or been taught to believe.....do any of yall find this to be true for you?

i can even remember having a pre-borg "out-of-body" experience, simply because i read a book on the subject and consciously decided to do it..... if so, what does the possibility of retraining our minds to actually believe only good things for ourselves and our loved ones hold for the future?.

one_ugly_time

Frannie --

I can't really comment on NDE or OBE, since that would require me to put into words the pictures I saw and the feelings my body experienced... I am unable to do that...

My point really is... Thoughts don't require language... we seem to think that they do, because of our social nature and our desire to share and be validated as individuals... In the end, however, it becomes the language we use that really describes externally how we think and feel...

I could tell you that my healing path has taken me down some pretty windy roads recently... quite a few lefts and rights, feeling like I was steering through pylons, then a couple of large NASCAR style turns and headed the other direction for a while... at one point I came to a hair-pin curve at maybe 90 miles an hour, slammed on my emotional brakes as hard as I could, and still crashed head in to the wall... I got up, finished navigating the turn, and proceeded to ramp my speed back up to the desired 90 miles per hour... I haven't crashed again lately, but now I watch just a little further out then when I go just 10 miles an hour...

Or, I could tell you that I am depressed and can't find a place in the world. Everytime I turn around, something hits me upside the head and I don't know what to do, other than try again. The emotional pain is killing me. I just want to run as fast as I can and escape it all. I keep watching for the signs that something is going to go wrong, but I never see them in time. I'm really, really tired of all this crap but I know I will make it through it.

They both describe where I am in life... which version of this story allowed you to process your own feelings and which version was asking for advice or sympathy?

After taking the walks I have taken, I would recommend studying your primary language and the models of communication you use... By looking closely, consciously at your own THOUGHT process... which for me usually occurs after I open my mouth... you can begin changing... your thought process will change your interaction with others (as you will begin to eliminate negative reactions, just because they are not in your nature), which in turn will change behaviors... you soon discover all those wonder paths you want to go down, just to see whats down there... you can always turn around and go another direction...

It's a path I find rewarding. More rewarding everyday.

ugly

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thoughts...

by dustin_adam in

please note!

this is more of a philosophical question, and i am posting it merely to get feedback on what i like to term doctrinal circular logic (ie.

the bible is true because the bible says it true) i have tried to remove my own conclusions that i made from this, so if they shine through somewhere, i apologize.

one_ugly_time

Following the train of thought... If God is Perfect, then Adam didn't really "sin"... he did exactly what God planned...
And God's perfect angle Lucifer is acting according to God's perfect creation...

Unless of course, you assume that someone Perfect, like God, could infact create something Imperfect on purpose... but why would he do that? I figure he was bored and wanted to play in an imperfect sandbox and see what happened.

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I was a good kid because I was raised by Bible Principles

by Nosferatu in

sometimes when i go visit my mother, she mentions that i was a good kid because i was raised by bible principles.

i was crying for absolutely no reason at all.

around 11:30, i felt completely ill. i went up to my teacher and told him i was going to see the nurse.

one_ugly_time

i'm beginning to think we had the same parents ???

You did... They are names WTBTS (mother) and JEHOVAH (father) !

Nos -- You conveyed life as it really was. I haven't even made that much progress in my healing. Sitting alone during Xmas carols, being put aside during art, and now, vaguely remembering the painful Valentines day's. Unfortunately, I created an invisible friend much younger in life, and went inside myself well before the 4th grade... School was mandatory and school was punishment !

I recently ran into a current JW who moved to the area, from Bethel (since his wife got pregnent). I talked to him briefly as I would anyone else I just met and immediately realized I was dealing with a JW. I was really taken back by his lack of social skills, his totally detached demeanor, and his boyish grin (he is 36 years old). It disturbed me alot, realizing that I was looking in a mirror of sorts, although, like you, I am aware now and am creating myself -- this much I feel good about.

What disturbed me the most was when I was driving home after talking to him for about 10 minutes. Even though every conversation went toward literature and serving the needs of others, I did listen quite intently as to who was behind the mask. He reads, in Russian (we are in the US), one of the bible story books every night to his wifes stomach. His wife speaks fluent German and he is studying Russian. He seems altogether intellectually, and, I tend to agree with the unborn learning through osmosis and through the thoughts and feelings of the mother...

However, now, I start processing everything I heard... an mini-ephinany for me... This newborn has no one, NO ONE, in the world to turn to for nurturance, trust, beliefs, guidance, warmth, stability... He has NO FRAME OF REFERENCE except his JW parents and the JW people that they visit with... I got to thinking about what a "normal" childhood would be like... Friends of different ethinc backgrounds, different religions, different sexual orientation, different social status', in other words, differences.... something to build and integrate a self, a FRAME OF REFERENCE... My heart goes out to this little one, as it probably does to my inner child right now, knowing what he is going to experience and have to deal with.

Nos, congratulations and the warmest cyberhug I can give you. The work you have done is not easy, and not for the faint of heart. Thanks for sharing.

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Saturday's Quote of the Day

by codeblue in

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your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the attitude you bring to life.

codeblue

one_ugly_time

A little something along those lines that I received the other day --

From a strictly mathematical viewpoint it goes like this:

What Makes 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than 100%? Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%. How about achieving 103%? What makes up 100% in life?

Here's a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these questions:

If:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z is represented
as:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.

Then:
H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K =
8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%

and
K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E =
11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%

But,
A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E =
1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%

And,
B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T =
2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%

AND, look how far a$$ kissing will take you.
A-S-S-K-I-S-S-I-N-G =
1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%

So, one can then conclude with mathematical certainty that while hard work and knowledge will get you close, and, Attitude will get you there,

B*llshit and A$$ kissing will put you over the top.

ugly

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What do you miss most about the person you wanted to be?

by dh in

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though my posts might not reflect it, i find life pretty hard and spend most of my time battling things in my head, regardless of what else i'm doing, thinking too much junk, always trying to figure things out and always ill at ease, i often remember being a kid, looking forward to a future, with goals and things i wanted to do, now i'm an adult and for the life in me i see nothing worth looking forward to.

i miss the feeling, when anything is possible, when i'd pine for a thing, or just smile at what i knew i was going to be when i grew up, or what i'd do, or when i'd look in the mirror and see a familiar face.

somehow and somewhere down the road, between becoming a child and a man, i seem to have got stuck.

one_ugly_time

dh - something about the way you express yourself, and how chills move from my neck to my shoulders then sprial down my back as I read what you wrote... touched more than a nerve my friend... Here is a poem I wrote 20 some years ago. I'm not sure to this day if I really understand it. For me, it's like one of those paintings where the eyes are always following you. This poem follows me through life and always seems to know who I am inside when I need some help pulling him out.

Mist of Deception

The fountain of destiny A journey waiting to be made A stage so near With the whim of time Of an imagination Experience Your journey Until fate itself is quaint Inundating all anxieties Destiny becomes imagination A mist of deception An illusion of time that is near An illusion of fate

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What does perfect mean??

by Sargon in

supposedly adam was perfect, jesus was perfect; and witnesses hope to be perfect in the new system.

but what does perfection mean.

is it a physical state or is it freedom from sin?

one_ugly_time

Perfect like all the horny angels!

Another Meatloaf fan... Love it

Perfection ?! I laugh hysterically...

I often wonder about this. If Jesus was "perfect" does that mean that he always knew exactly the right thing to say or the right way to behave to have exactly the right influence upon everyone he came in contact with?

I could debate endlessly on this topic. Just as there are no universal truths, there is no such thing as true perfection.

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What will you say to God in your defense?

by fearnotruth22 in

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suppose god holds us accountable.

what will you say to him in your defense to plead you cause?

one_ugly_time

Because you are God you can --

Judge people
Manipulate the environment as you see fit
Instill pain and suffering on those that love you
Sacrifice your Son because he believes in you
Create an alter-ego whose existence we are to acknowledge, but not listen to

Oh, God, you have so many other behaviors I have issues with. I wouldn't consider you a friend and yet I wouldn't want someone like you as an enemy. So, please, just leave me alone... I'm OK right where I am.

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