First of all will the blood be a guaranatee that the person will live -- to me not wanting to take blood is like anything else if a person want to make a choice that is their decision -- I feel NO medical treatment should be given against anyone wishes -- people seem to forget there are other alternatives to blood -- to me it is like if a person is allegic to Penicllum -- does this mean the person should not be given any other treatment -- I am sorry but I am in agreement with the blood stance. There are some beliefs which will not seek medical treatment at all -- what does everyone think about this.......
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Would You Give Blood To Someone Against Their Wishes?
by minimus inthis subject came up with my mother yesterday.
she is in her late 70's.
she adamantly refuses blood.
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Adultery can only happen at night - Scripture to support this statement
by scrubmaster instrong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of .
the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.
i was told that there is a scriptural principle for the above quote from the "pay attention to the flock book".
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Even though I am happily married and not a homosexual, if I go to visit him and stay at his house and someone(a dub) accuses me of wrong conduct with this person based on the fact that I stayed at his house, I could be disfellowshipped based on this circumstantial evidence?
Sorry, I should have added you still need the two witness even in this case. They will not take just one person's word on the matter. So just staying over night is not enough. But I think the over night rule is a bunch off balony -- I dropped the bomb on the elders last night - that prior to me knowing this rule exsisted -- several years ago I stayed the night at a womans home and she stayed in one end of the house and I stayed in the other end. I am sure they are getting the committee together as I type this letter.
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Adultery can only happen at night - Scripture to support this statement
by scrubmaster instrong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of .
the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.
i was told that there is a scriptural principle for the above quote from the "pay attention to the flock book".
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Are you able to give more of the context or would that be too revealing?
I will put the letter here tonight or tomorrow -- I have class to night(college) and will get home late -- so I may not get the chance to put it up tonight.
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Adultery can only happen at night - Scripture to support this statement
by scrubmaster instrong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of .
the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.
i was told that there is a scriptural principle for the above quote from the "pay attention to the flock book".
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tell us the scripture you showed them and then get on with your life.
I do not remember posting this in another thread -- for me it is just to let people who are in my shoes to know what to expect -- I have moved on and made my decison
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Adultery can only happen at night - Scripture to support this statement
by scrubmaster instrong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of .
the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.
i was told that there is a scriptural principle for the above quote from the "pay attention to the flock book".
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Believe me the other scripture they tried to send me about this situation was the one about those who get drunk get drunk at night -- I sent them a letter back stating the drunk s does not appy to my situation. If you read the context of the Rom 13 prior to the verses it is plan it is an illustration. of course I also found another bible rending of the verse and it reads this way
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- The night is almost gone; the day of salvation will soon be here. So don't live in darkness. Get rid of your evil deeds. Shed them like dirty clothes. Clothe yourselves with the armor of right living, as those who live in the light.
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- We should be decent and true in everything we do, so that everyone can approve of our behavior. Don't participate in wild parties and getting drunk, or in adultery and immoral living, or in fighting and jealousy.
Wow want a difference -- but I took it a step further -- we all remember the story of Joseph -- what time of day was it when he was tempted by the scriptures say mid day. What time was it when the Irealites committed adultery -- it was in the evening. Then I dropped this scripture on them
Micah 2:3 "Woe to those scheming what is harmful, and those practicing what is bad, upon their beds ! by the light of morning they proceed to do it, because it is in the power of their hands.
They did not write back to me -- but of course little old me can not be right -- it would not be good for them to admit I am right-- I knew it was all in vain but it was fun reading their responses.
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Adultery can only happen at night - Scripture to support this statement
by scrubmaster instrong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of .
the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.
i was told that there is a scriptural principle for the above quote from the "pay attention to the flock book".
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Okay -- I see no one wants to post here is the scripture they used
Romans 13:12, 13 "The night is well along; the day has drawn near. Let us therefore put off the works belonging to darkness and let us put on the weapons of light. As in the daytime let us walk decently, not in revelries and drunken bouts, not in illicit intercourse and loose conduct, not in strife and jealous.
This is the scripture the society sent to me to provide the principle for the statment in the "flock book"
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Adultery can only happen at night - Scripture to support this statement
by scrubmaster instrong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of .
the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.
i was told that there is a scriptural principle for the above quote from the "pay attention to the flock book".
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Strong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of
the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.I was told that there is a scriptural principle for the above quote from the "Pay attention to the Flock Book". If some one can find the scriptural princple I would like to know where it is. I was given a scripture by the society and by an elder, I will share this scriptures and get everyones thoughts on it after a few post. Then even later After getting the response from people -- I will let you know what scriptures I used to show them -- adultery can happen during the day as well. Of course they could not respond to the scriptures I showed them in an inelligent manner. (This will be interesting) I am awaiting everyone post.
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Letter to elders when marriage mate confess adultery
by scrubmaster ini understand from talking to some one who had some knowledge of the situation but could not find the reference material , that the society has something in writing which says if a person believes they are scripturally free and that they are willing to stand before jehovah and face the consquences they can get married -- (this in effect leave the elders out of the equation and they can not do anything to you.
) does anyone know where this reference can be found -- i need it as soon as possible.
i can not find it.
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Ending to my story the elders did not accept the letter of course what did I expect. I guess I should have just committed adultery and said how sorry I am and I would not be in this situation -- but no I want to do the right thing and play by there rules and all becasue I want to get married I will be out side -- oh well -- that is just the way it will be -- As long as Jehovahs sees my heart and knows I want to do the right thing
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I don't know -- should we trust some one with the name Agent Smith -- remember the Matrix (ha ha ha)
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Letter to elders when marriage mate confess adultery
by scrubmaster ini understand from talking to some one who had some knowledge of the situation but could not find the reference material , that the society has something in writing which says if a person believes they are scripturally free and that they are willing to stand before jehovah and face the consquences they can get married -- (this in effect leave the elders out of the equation and they can not do anything to you.
) does anyone know where this reference can be found -- i need it as soon as possible.
i can not find it.
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The thing that bothers me to is when they do make changes we do not see any apologies for previous mistakes for the sufferring it cause -- even the Almighty Jehovah felt hut in his heart for destroying man at the flood(Jehovah is never wrong) -- but I never see the society express such regrets -- they just make changes and kind of go oh well if it messed up your life -- then Jehovah will make it better in the new system.