I meant to thank JT for all his help and support I will be in touch.
scrubmaster
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Turning 41 and Moving ON- smile
by JT ineveryone can't be in the front row!.
well hell i thought i could read- .
or they were just the outcast of their congo- so when they come to the net they are mad as hell .
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Turning 41 and Moving ON- smile
by JT ineveryone can't be in the front row!.
well hell i thought i could read- .
or they were just the outcast of their congo- so when they come to the net they are mad as hell .
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scrubmaster
JT- as you know from our converstion -- I have always been different when it came to the truth. You now my current situation and know what got me to start seeing how things work. All a person has to do is research the societies own books to see some of the changes and the effects these changes have had on people. I would say for those who choose to stay in the organization -- if the principles is not to be found clearly in the bible -- then remember your relationship is with Jehovah -- do what you have to do, but you may have to face the conquensces. Also remember this the Almighty was question on a couple of occasions in the bible and even listen to the voice of reason...therefore as I told an elder there is nothing wrong with me having questions, Abraham even question Jehovah....JT is my friend and I am glad I have the opportunity to meet him -- will I leave the organization? I will not answer this question, but I can say this....I will be there for those who want my advice and guidance and I will help them if I can.....remember in the end Jehovah will judge each one of use....he will have the final say.
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Bible Principles and Laws and obediance
by dustyb inwhere the fudge in the bible does it say that we have to comply with bible principles and laws and be 100% obediant to the elders??
just wondering
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scrubmaster
The principles and laws have to be proven by scriptures, so they can not just make up laws that are not bible based. The only problem is if a person does not follow them they can get DF'd or not have privileges. For instance in this country men can not have beards in the kingdom Hall, this is not in the bible neither is there a prinicple to support this, so if a person is a brother and wants to have a beard they can, bu they will not have any privileges. Also their is another scripture which say each one will carry his own load.. and I think the same scripture says that we will all render and account before God, so God is the ultimate Judge.
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Were Most Of The Elders "On The Ball" In Your Congregation?
by minimus ini think most of the elders relied on the "smart ones" to help them out.
my experience was that there was probably 2 or 3 "sharp ones".
the rest were dopey!
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scrubmaster
It is the same rule as every where 20% of the people do 80% of the work. It is the same with the elders. I have given information to elders about things and waited months before I went to see if anything had been done and not a thing had been done with the information I had presented to them. I believe a lot of Brothers do not know what it means to be a good elder especially in the context of the bible and following the example of Jesus Christ. I have no problems with older elders keeping their positions, but serious matters should not be hande by them. Also here is the other challenge for the Society, when I was talking to a CO he said must brothers may age "37" are not reaching out, of course I wonder if they bother to talk to these brothers to find out why(I know they do not.) I know I could never be an elder because I could not try to convence people to follow principles which can not be back up by scriptures. Therefore a lot of the elders are older.
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Letter to elders when marriage mate confess adultery
by scrubmaster ini understand from talking to some one who had some knowledge of the situation but could not find the reference material , that the society has something in writing which says if a person believes they are scripturally free and that they are willing to stand before jehovah and face the consquences they can get married -- (this in effect leave the elders out of the equation and they can not do anything to you.
) does anyone know where this reference can be found -- i need it as soon as possible.
i can not find it.
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If you still want to play by rules you could try branch again as last resort.
The branch did not write back the last time I wrote -- I will only starting writing to the branch when I am in the committee for my actions. I will also send a letter to the legal department at that time as well -- I don't plan to go out quietly
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Would You Give Blood To Someone Against Their Wishes?
by minimus inthis subject came up with my mother yesterday.
she is in her late 70's.
she adamantly refuses blood.
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scrubmaster
The most complex molecule in blood, hemoglobin ? the major component of the red cell, is available only from blood. In many medical emergencies, these latter "fractions" of blood are essential to life.
You arae absolutely one percent sure about this -- to make one more point we all take a stand on somethings in out life -- the soldiers who die in war do they get to make a choice ? (hum) You may say the don have to sign up for the army -- but this would mean they would be drafted to fight and sometimes die for something they do not believe in -- people are entitle to there beliefs - I notice no on touched the issue of religions who do not seek medical treatment at ALL -- therefore at least they do not just want to die it is just one treatment ! We all make choices therefore if this is some ones wish it is not up to anyone to stop them
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Would You Give Blood To Someone Against Their Wishes?
by minimus inthis subject came up with my mother yesterday.
she is in her late 70's.
she adamantly refuses blood.
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scrubmaster
First of all will the blood be a guaranatee that the person will live -- to me not wanting to take blood is like anything else if a person want to make a choice that is their decision -- I feel NO medical treatment should be given against anyone wishes -- people seem to forget there are other alternatives to blood -- to me it is like if a person is allegic to Penicllum -- does this mean the person should not be given any other treatment -- I am sorry but I am in agreement with the blood stance. There are some beliefs which will not seek medical treatment at all -- what does everyone think about this.......
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Adultery can only happen at night - Scripture to support this statement
by scrubmaster instrong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of .
the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.
i was told that there is a scriptural principle for the above quote from the "pay attention to the flock book".
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Even though I am happily married and not a homosexual, if I go to visit him and stay at his house and someone(a dub) accuses me of wrong conduct with this person based on the fact that I stayed at his house, I could be disfellowshipped based on this circumstantial evidence?
Sorry, I should have added you still need the two witness even in this case. They will not take just one person's word on the matter. So just staying over night is not enough. But I think the over night rule is a bunch off balony -- I dropped the bomb on the elders last night - that prior to me knowing this rule exsisted -- several years ago I stayed the night at a womans home and she stayed in one end of the house and I stayed in the other end. I am sure they are getting the committee together as I type this letter.
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Adultery can only happen at night - Scripture to support this statement
by scrubmaster instrong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of .
the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.
i was told that there is a scriptural principle for the above quote from the "pay attention to the flock book".
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Are you able to give more of the context or would that be too revealing?
I will put the letter here tonight or tomorrow -- I have class to night(college) and will get home late -- so I may not get the chance to put it up tonight.
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Adultery can only happen at night - Scripture to support this statement
by scrubmaster instrong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of .
the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.
i was told that there is a scriptural principle for the above quote from the "pay attention to the flock book".
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scrubmaster
tell us the scripture you showed them and then get on with your life.
I do not remember posting this in another thread -- for me it is just to let people who are in my shoes to know what to expect -- I have moved on and made my decison