o timothy, guard what is laid up in trust with you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called knowledge.
21 for making a show of such [knowledge] some have deviated from the faith.
2 timothy 3:1-13 .
The 10-year Associate membership to the UN/DPI tore it first for me, but close on the heels I found out that they teach Jesus is not the mediator between God and every person. I have always believed that Jesus was my mediator with God. I just didn't know they disagreed with the Bible on such a fundamental teaching of early Christians.
That part got me too.
i don't know how i ever doubted that intelligent design was correct!
after watching a video involving kirk cameron, i now see the error of my ways, and will be tithing 50% of my income to the church every month out of contrition.. .
you want to know the mighty argument that changed my views, and my life, forever?
Unless you believe God used evolution to create.
here are my notes from the 2006 special assembly day "keep your eye simple".
i added emphasis to some of the notes.. why keep your eye simple (local elder).
what are some of these things?
It sounds eerily similar to years past assemblies. Thanks for the update!
Tor
as i am completing a paper for brci, i found something quite interesting.
the very first mention of the "catholic church" was made in the year 107, in st. ignatius letter to the smyrnaeans.
st. ignatius was bishop of antioch for forty-years, being appointed by the apostle peter.
Interesting post Leolaia!
Thanks,
TOr
i just got home from the appeal, and i won i'm not df'ed!
lol how crazy is that?
anywayz, i'll post the results when i get them on my computer, it make take some time so don't expect the recordings until tomorrow.
Thank you SoL! I finally got it all listened to. You just may get the DFing overturned from the way it sounds.
Tor
here are the audio files that sickoflies made.
these work on windows media player and are significantly smaller than the original .wav formats.jc meeting (7.4mb)conclusion of jc meeting (1.4mb).
part 1 of appeal hearing (3.2mb)part 2 of appeal hearing (5.8mb)conclusion of appeal hearing (1.3mb)
Interesting stuff. I am listening to them now.
Tor
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i'll start.. judges 4:21 jeal drove a tent peg through the head of a sleeping king.. judges 19:29 a man cut up the body of his raped and murdered concubine and sent the twelve parts to the twelve tribes of israel.. .
Interesting stuff. I always thought about Lot offering his daughters.
the survey is intended for any ex-jws who remain christian, but continue to be non-trinitarian.
please give a concise, well developed statement of what you believe regarding the holy spirit.
please do not go into lengthy dissertations trying to prove your point.
Hello Jim,
You make a good point. I find that the Holy Spirit can overlook certain things, but not others.
How do you determine what you think the Holy Spirit overlooks. Is it arbitrary? Questions I have had in conjunction with whether the Spirit actually leads people to a correct or true understanding are.
Some religions teach its ok, even blessing troops, before sending them out fighting for their country. Often times these troops are killing those of like faith on the other side. Some religions teach pacifism. Both certainly cant be led by HS.
Others teach God will eternally torment those in a fiery torment and some do not.
There are those who teach glossalalia or speaking in tongues, is a requirement.
Some pray to Saints and Mary asking forgiveness. Some teach this is wrong. Both groups claiming to be led by HS.
The problem is that the Watchtower brainwashed us to believe that everything was black or white, right or wrong, good or bad, with no gray areas in between. So, with such cult-like thinking, we sometimes leave the Watchtower still using their thought processes to evaluate religions around us. And, it is no wonder that we come up with the same conclusions, because we really may not have changed the process we inherited.
I hear what you are saying but the scriptures also speak of unity and the casting out of heretics. If the spirit is a divided as you say it can be and the people or groups still being guided by HS, I just dont see that as possible.
When I am done with my paper on the nature of the Holy Spirit, I will get it posted and see if perhaps it helps some to take another long look at orthodox theology and employ different thought processes. If nothing else, I hope it will broaden their perspective.I look forward to reading it Jim. THank you for your comments. Tor
the survey is intended for any ex-jws who remain christian, but continue to be non-trinitarian.
please give a concise, well developed statement of what you believe regarding the holy spirit.
please do not go into lengthy dissertations trying to prove your point.
It seems to me the spirit is misleading people because many claim to be led by spirit but teach sometimes very different doctrines. They all cant be led by spirit.
Tor
i was on the phone speaking with verne thoren, presiding overseer of the willow springs, nc congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
he tells me he knows of my possesssion of the flock book.
he knows of my involvement on this site.
Can I bump it too?
