i don't often open up discussions on my beliefs or experiences in life, but i feel a need, so please excuse me if you feel it untoward.
neither is this a poxy swan-song, i'm just opening up my heart a little.. today i had cause to reflect on a conversation i had with my [now ex-]wife shortly after my epithany.
everything was so new and unknown.
Apostate kate wrote: At the age of 32 I had another experience with Jesus Christ. My life has never been the same since. My wonderful journey with Jesus has been a blessed adventure. My relationship with Him is physically manifest in my life in many ways.
Care to elaborate?
Tor
i don't often open up discussions on my beliefs or experiences in life, but i feel a need, so please excuse me if you feel it untoward.
neither is this a poxy swan-song, i'm just opening up my heart a little.. today i had cause to reflect on a conversation i had with my [now ex-]wife shortly after my epithany.
everything was so new and unknown.
An area that is of more interest to me is why a certain sensation should consistently accompany a desire to pray for someone far away, with a result that through the experience of hindsight I can now come to expect. With one sensation I can expect the result to be death, and with another sensation I can expect to shortly be overwhelmed with an empathic coordination with their innermost emotions (which sux when it's grief), and so on. These are not self generated, as I have experienced being woken in the middle of the night by such things, driving along a road, or being in the middle of a conversation when it occurs. Thus I have no way of providing evidence that could be subjected to scientific rigour.
Hi Ros,
Care to explain what you mean by a sensation which you can expect the result to be death?
Thank you,
Tor
what have been the most effective reasons that you've given to the people that you love for why you're no longer a witness?
considering that most dubs have the attention span of a 2 year old for anything from an a-prostate, please be consise and succint with your answers.
just trying to plant some seeds of reasoning.... maybe in-depth discussions with those folks will come at a later time.
Even the NWT reads, "Do not put your trust in earthling men " The WTS is governed by "earthling men."
Nice one!
what have been the most effective reasons that you've given to the people that you love for why you're no longer a witness?
considering that most dubs have the attention span of a 2 year old for anything from an a-prostate, please be consise and succint with your answers.
just trying to plant some seeds of reasoning.... maybe in-depth discussions with those folks will come at a later time.
The 144,000 teaching. They take that one figure and make it literal while the rest is figurative.
this has nothing to do with whether i love my wife.
i always will.. pragmatically, i have come to the devastating conclusion that i don't want to be married to a jw.
any jw.. she asked me last night, "so, do you believe in santa clause, now?
I was absolutely livid with anger and as I was leaving, the third person -- the Presiding Overseer -- came up and asked brusquely, "what happened to him?" I started to tell him, and he cut me off after about 5 seconds with: "Well, Jehovah will give you strength to endure" and he walked off.I went home and told Chris that was it, I was never going back. He said "welcome home" and we lived happily ever after!
Nina
Isnt it amazing how they preach what a loving brotherhood JW's have and yet they far from practice it. We haven't had so much as a phone call since about 3 months after stopping meeting attendance. I cant believe I believed the crock for so long.
Tor
i don't often open up discussions on my beliefs or experiences in life, but i feel a need, so please excuse me if you feel it untoward.
neither is this a poxy swan-song, i'm just opening up my heart a little.. today i had cause to reflect on a conversation i had with my [now ex-]wife shortly after my epithany.
everything was so new and unknown.
An area that is of more interest to me is why a certain sensation should consistently accompany a desire to pray for someone far away, with a result that through the experience of hindsight I can now come to expect. With one sensation I can expect the result to be death, and with another sensation I can expect to shortly be overwhelmed with an empathic coordination with their innermost emotions (which sux when it's grief), and so on. These are not self generated, as I have experienced being woken in the middle of the night by such things, driving along a road, or being in the middle of a conversation when it occurs. Thus I have no way of providing evidence that could be subjected to scientific rigour.
You get a sensation which the result is death? Please explain! I have woken in the night with terror also and the feeling that I cant move even though I try very hard I am unable to move. This is just a nightmare from which I have not awoken from completely, not a spirit being attemping to talk to me.
Tor
this has nothing to do with whether i love my wife.
i always will.. pragmatically, i have come to the devastating conclusion that i don't want to be married to a jw.
any jw.. she asked me last night, "so, do you believe in santa clause, now?
is your wife still a witness?
Not now:-)
Thats good to hear! Mine isn't either. We left at the same time but then she was with me when we talked to the elder and CO and she seen first hand just how bull*hit it all was. That helped a lot. When one is all the way out and the other "in" it can get really tough. Its way better to do it together. I bared my soul to my wife on the questions I had and did not keep a single thing from her. I think Auld Soul went about things different and he is pretty much all the way out. Communication is the absolute key AuldSoul, in my honest opinion. You have to keep the lines open and get her to see why you have questions. Instead of making out and out points against the WTS, if you can raise questions. In your case it may have went to far to go this route.
Tor
this has nothing to do with whether i love my wife.
i always will.. pragmatically, i have come to the devastating conclusion that i don't want to be married to a jw.
any jw.. she asked me last night, "so, do you believe in santa clause, now?
Gary Busselman, is your wife still a witness?
Ross,
I would talk to Hillary Step about this if you havent already. He took 17 years to get his wife to see the WTS for what it was and leave the borg, if I remember right. He may have some "real" help for you by way of advice.
I really feel for you and wish you the very best. I would say the advice to take it slow and wait at "least" a year was very good advice. I with I could have went back and did the same thing, not about my marriage but how I left the WTS.
Tor
sorry if this has already been asked before.
i was just curious, because i think it would be really cool to have a former "big wig" jw post here.
Maximus may no longer be with us
i don't often open up discussions on my beliefs or experiences in life, but i feel a need, so please excuse me if you feel it untoward.
neither is this a poxy swan-song, i'm just opening up my heart a little.. today i had cause to reflect on a conversation i had with my [now ex-]wife shortly after my epithany.
everything was so new and unknown.
Hello Ros,
You wrote at Post 15321
In my own case it was Christ rather than Jehovah. Maybe that was a more acceptable way for me to access something that clearly wasn't the "Jehovah" that I had previously been shackled to?
Certainly I found the concept of worshipping Christ abhorrent, but that turned around in a few minutes of my initial experience, and grew rapidly from there."
Ok, how on earth did you know it was Christ and not Jehovah?? Did this spirit tell you his name??
Tor
