Posts by Hunyadi

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Looking for "new light" info late 1996 or 1997

by talesin in

does anyone know if there was "new light" presented in late 1996 or 1997 that would be reason for someone to leave the wts or step down as an elder?

i have a personal reason for wanting to know.. thanks.

talesin

Hunyadi

I remember hearing conversations in which it was believed that because this generation (1914) would by no means pass away, that some or many of the annointed JW's would be alive and on hand to help direct us in the new system of things.

Here is something interesting I found:

wt 5/15/97 page 19
"The
Generation . . . to Come"
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The anointed remnant has been eager to train other sheep for increased responsibilities. Psalm 71:18 says: "Even until old age and gray-headedness, O God, do not leave me, until I may tell about your arm to the generation, to all those who are to come, about your mightiness." Commenting on this verse, the December 15, 1948, Watchtower pointed out that the congregation of anointed Christians had certainly reached old age. It went on to say that the anointed happily "look forward in the light of Bible prophecy and see a new generation." To whom particularly is this referring? The Watchtower said: "Jesus spoke of them as his ?other sheep.?" ?The generation to come? refers to humans who will live under the new earthly administration governed by the Kingdom of the heavens.
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The Bible does not clearly say when all anointed Christians will leave their brothers of this ?generation to come? and go on to be glorified along with Jesus Christ. But these anointed ones are confident that the time for this is approaching. The events foretold in Jesus? great prophecy about "the time of the end" have been coming to pass since 1914, showing that the destruction of this world is near. (Daniel 12:4; Matthew 24:3-14; Mark 13:4-20; Luke 21:7-24) Soon, Jehovah will usher in a new world in which ?the generation to come? will ?inherit the kingdom [the earthly realm] prepared for them from the founding of the world.? (Matthew 25:34) They are thrilled to anticipate the restoration of Paradise and the raising of millions of dead ones from Hades. (Revelation 20:13) Will anointed ones be there to welcome back these resurrected ones? Back in 1925, the May 1 Watch Tower said: "We should not arbitrarily say what God will or will not do. . . . [But] we are led to the conclusion that the members of the Church [anointed Christians] will be glorified before the resurrection of the ancient worthies [faithful pre-Christian witnesses]." Similarly discussing whether some of the anointed would be on hand to welcome back the resurrected ones, the September 1, 1989, Watchtower said: "This would not be necessary."
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True, we do not know what will happen in the case of each anointed Christian. But the presence of Moses and Elijah with Jesus in the transfiguration vision indicates that resurrected anointed Christians are expected to be with Jesus when he comes in glory to "recompense each one according to his behavior" as his judgment is rendered and executed. Further, we remember Jesus? promise that anointed Christians who ?conquer? will share with him in ?shepherding the nations with an iron rod? at Armageddon. When Jesus comes in glory, they will sit with him "judging the twelve tribes of Israel." With Jesus, they will ?crush Satan under their feet.??Matthew 16:27?17:9; 19:28; Revelation 2:26, 27; 16:14, 16; Romans 16:20; Genesis 3:15; Psalm 2:9; 2 Thessalonians 1:9, 10.
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In keeping with his administration of things, Jehovah is progressively moving "to gather all things together again in the Christ." As far as "the things in the heavens" are concerned, his purpose approaches completion. The uniting of Jesus with all the 144,000 in heaven for "the marriage of the Lamb" is near. Hence, more and more longtime, mature brothers of the other sheep, representing "the things on the earth," have had delegated to them weightier responsibilities in support of their anointed brothers. What exciting times we live in! How thrilling to see Jehovah?s purpose moving on to its fulfillment! (Ephesians 1:9, 10; 3:10-12; Revelation 14:1; 19:7, 9) And how the other sheep rejoice to support their anointed brothers as both groups serve together as "one flock" under "one shepherd" in subjection to the King, Jesus Christ, and to the glory of the great Universal Sovereign, Jehovah God!?John 10:16; Philippians 2:9-11.

It looks as though, and I could have missed a few issues (lol) that since all the oldtimers are no longer here on earth, they have put some of the responsibility on the other sheep . . . lol, who else could they put it on?

Anyone, anyone????

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GREAT CROWD GIVEN NEW STATUS?

by Hunyadi in

the march 1, 2004 wt, p9 pp6 states:"the only reasonable conclusion, then, is that jesus was referring to a group of chiristians as "the faithful and discreet slave.

" can there be such a thing as a composite slave?

seven hundred years before christ, jehovah referred to the entire nation of israel as "my witnesses" and "my servant whom i have chosen.

Hunyadi

"The only reasonable conclusion, then, is that Jesus was referring to a group of Chiristians as "the faithful and discreet slave." Can there be such a thing as a composite slave? Yes. Seven hundred years before Christ, Jehovah referred to the entire nation of Israel as "my witnesses" and "my servant whom I have chosen." (Isaiah 43:10) Every member of the nation of Israel from 1513 B.C.E., when the Mosaic Law was given, down to Pentecost 33 C.E. was part of the this servant class. Most Israelites did not have a direct share in administering the nation's affairs or in coorinationg its spiritual feeding program. Jehovah used the kings, judges, prophets, priests, and Levites to carry out those tasks. Still, as a nation, Israel was to represent Jehovah's sovereignty and tell his praises among the nations. Each Israelite was to be a witness of Jehovah.-Dueteronomy 26:19; Isaiah 43:21; Malachi 2:7; Romans 3:1,2

"My Witnesses" and "my servant whom I have chosen" is here tied into the "faithful and discreet slave class", and "every member" was part of that servant class. While the GB "coordinates the spiritual feeding program", "each Israelite was to be a witness of Jehovah" . . . what is there to miss?

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GREAT CROWD GIVEN NEW STATUS?

by Hunyadi in

the march 1, 2004 wt, p9 pp6 states:"the only reasonable conclusion, then, is that jesus was referring to a group of chiristians as "the faithful and discreet slave.

" can there be such a thing as a composite slave?

seven hundred years before christ, jehovah referred to the entire nation of israel as "my witnesses" and "my servant whom i have chosen.

Hunyadi

The March 1, 2004 WT, p9 pp6 states:

"The only reasonable conclusion, then, is that Jesus was referring to a group of Chiristians as "the faithful and discreet slave." Can there be such a thing as a composite slave? Yes. Seven hundred years before Christ, Jehovah referred to the entire nation of Israel as "my witnesses" and "my servant whom I have chosen." (Isaiah 43:10) Every member of the nation of Israel from 1513 B.C.E., when the Mosaic Law was given, down to Pentecost 33 C.E. was part of the this servant class. Most Israelites did not have a direct share in administering the nation's affairs or in coorinationg its spiritual feeding program. Jehovah used the kings, judges, prophets, priests, and Levites to carry out those tasks. Still, as a nation, Israel was to represent Jehovah's sovereignty and tell his praises among the nations. Each Israelite was to be a witness of Jehovah.-Dueteronomy 26:19; Isaiah 43:21; Malachi 2:7; Romans 3:1,2.

OK, the paragraph infers that each member, annointed or not, is part of the "faithful and discreet slave class" and although it is the GB who is in control, the other sheep, the great crowd is also part of the faithful and discreet slave????

DOUBLE SPEAK!

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2004 DISTRICT CONVENTION

by Hunyadi in

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friends

anyone in the san diego area planning on attending the 2004 district convention at qualcom stadium?

does anyone go and picket and pass out flyers or pamphlets anymore?

(i remember the stir and excitement of hearing how the attendants had just caught some apostates handing out fake watchtowers inside the convention, and threw them out!

Hunyadi

Anyone in the San Diego area planning on attending the 2004 District Convention at Qualcom Stadium?

Does anyone go and picket and pass out flyers or pamphlets anymore? (I remember the stir and excitement of hearing how the attendants had just caught some apostates handing out fake Watchtowers inside the convention, and threw them out!)

Will there be a group of apostates to work that convention? If not, let's get something going. I am ready to boldly face the many JW's I have known for many years and let my "new light" shine.

I am available to help design and print pamphlets and hand-outs.

Corvin

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Should Ex's Care For Believing Parents?

by Englishman in

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so when my dear old mum, who is well into her 80's, is no longer able to care for herself, what then?.

well, i guess we could build a granny-annexe and take care of her.

trouble is, i'm disfellowshipped, so i wonder how the local elders would react to that one.. same with my kid brother, he's an outcast too.. hmm.

Hunyadi

Do you love your mother? Screw the elders, be a good son and take care of your mom. I honestly think today's elders will gladly overlook you being df'd so that the burden will not fall on them. If the elders try to interfere, get in their faces and kick them in the nuts!

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Recent mentions of "This Generation"

by Nosferatu in

i was just reading the thread "questions on the generation teaching", and someone mentioned the 1995 watchtower article where is said this:rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term "generation" as used by jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics.. .

what i'm wondering is, has the wts mentioned the word "generation" since this article?

are they sticking to this explanation in any way, shape, or form?

Hunyadi

These is the cop-outs the WTBTS has written since 1995:

wt 1/1/00 p9 A Progressive Cleaning
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As the years pass, Jehovah continues to give us further clarification of truth, including a clearer understanding of his prophetic word. (Proverbs 4:18) In recent years, we have been encouraged to look again with deeper understanding at?among other things?the generation that will not pass away before the end comes, the parable of the sheep and the goats, the disgusting thing and when it will stand in a holy place, the new covenant, the transfiguration, and the temple vision of the book of Ezekiel. It may be difficult at times to understand such updated explanations, but the reasons for them become clear in due course. If a Christian does not fully understand a new explanation of a scripture, he does well humbly to echo the words of the prophet Micah: "I will show a waiting attitude for the God of my salvation."?Micah 7:7.

New Light, blah blah blah . . . if you don't understand the "updated explanations" just "wait", we will try to make some sense out of it ourselves and when we do we will get back to you . . .

wt 1/15/00 p11 Ignoring God's Prophets
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As the years passed, some Christians in Jerusalem may have wondered just when Jesus? prophecy was going to be fulfilled. After all, consider the sacrifices some of them had undoubtedly made. Perhaps they had turned down attractive business offers because of their determination to keep on the watch. As time wore on, did they grow weary? Did they conclude that they were wasting their time, reasoning that Jesus? words applied to a future generation, not to their own? In 66 C.E., Jesus? prophecy began to be fulfilled when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem. Those who kept on the watch recognized the sign, fled the city, and were spared experiencing the desolating of Jerusalem.

Ok, ok, so now the generation to see Jesus' words fulfilled might not even be the generation of 1914? I, and hundreds of thousands of others wasted our youth for what again???

wt 5/1/99
Another
Fulfillment to Come
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However, that was not the finale. Earlier, Jesus had indicated that after the city was devastated, he would come in Jehovah?s name. (Matthew 23:38, 39; 24:2) He then made this clearer in his prophecy uttered on the Mount of Olives. Having mentioned the coming "great tribulation," he said that afterward false Christs would appear, and Jerusalem would be trampled on by the nations for an extended period. (Matthew 24:21, 23-28; Luke 21:24) Could it be that another, a greater, fulfillment was to come? The facts answer yes. When we compare Revelation 6:2-8 (written after the tribulation on Jerusalem in 70 C.E.) with Matthew 24:6-8 and Luke 21:10, 11, we see that warfare, food shortages, and plague on a greater scale lay ahead. This greater fulfillment of Jesus? words has been occurring since World War I erupted in 1914.
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For decades now, Jehovah?s Witnesses have taught that the current fulfillment of the sign proves that a "great tribulation" is yet to come. The present wicked "generation" will see that tribulation. It seems that there will again be an opening phase (an attack on all false religion), just as Gallus? attack in 66 C.E. opened the tribulation on Jerusalem. Then, after an interval of unspecified length, the end will come?destruction on a worldwide scale, paralleling that in 70 C.E.
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Referring to the tribulation just ahead of us, Jesus said: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days [the destruction of false religion] the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."?Matthew 24:29, 30.
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Hence, Jesus himself says that "after the tribulation of those days," celestial phenomena of some sort will occur. (Compare Joel 2:28-32; 3:15.) This will so startle and shock disobedient humans that they will "beat themselves in lamentation." Many will "become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth." But this will not be the case with true Christians! These ?will lift their heads up, because their deliverance is getting near.??Luke 21:25, 26, 28.

wt 6/1/99 p6
Especially since World War I, mankind has experienced appalling changes. It has seen the earth drenched with the blood of millions. Warfare, genocide, terrorism, crime, and lawlessness have erupted worldwide. Famine, disease, and immorality have stalked our globe. All the evidence indicates that we now live among that wicked generation of which Jesus said: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." (Matthew 24:34) The world is now filling its "measure of sin." "The clusters of the vine of the earth" are becoming ripe for the harvest.

Vague and wavering are the recent predictions and phophecies of the WTBTS.

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I need a scan of the April Watchtower

by archangel01 in

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friends

hi all, i need a scan of the front cover the april watchtower.

it has a picture of the wild beast on it.

i need it so i can give it to this christian journal an will publish it with a big story on the jw's an what fakes they are.

Hunyadi

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Question on the generation teaching

by expatbrit in

we all know about the wt's dramatic about face in 1995 on the generation thing.

it was a large nail in their coffin, as far as i was concerned.

after all, surely a verse so important, so relevant to our modern times would have been studied intensively at bethel.

Hunyadi

wt 11/1/95 pages 16-21
6 Not only must we pay attention to the inspired prophecies concerning these final days of a wicked system but we must anchor our faith primarily on the precious sacrifice of Christ Jesus and God?s marvelous promises based thereon. (Hebrews 6:17-19; 9:14; 1 Peter 1:18, 19; 2 Peter 1:16-19) Eager to see the end of this evil system, Jehovah?s people have at times speculated about the time when the "great tribulation" would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914. However, we "bring a heart of wisdom in," not by speculating about how many years or days make up a generation, but by thinking about how we "count our days" in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah. (Psalm 90:12) Rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term "generation" as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics.

This was the backdoor for the predictions made for the end.

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Letter to all congregations Feb 18, 2004

by Puternut in

to all congregations of jehovah's witnesses feb 18, 2004. .

re: important changes and announcements.

dear brothers,.

Hunyadi

A humble and sincere apology from the WTBTS would be just the thing. Here is what the WTBTS says about apologies:

wt 12/15/96 · Why should we practice the art of apologizing?
An apology can help to ease the pain caused by imperfection, and it can heal strained relationships. Each apology we make is a lesson in humility and trains us to become more sensitive to the feelings of others.?9/15, page 24.

wt 7/15/96 pg 15-20 11 Bridling the tongue helps us to maintain unity. (James 3:10-18) But suppose something we have said has caused tension between us and a fellow Christian. Would it not be appropriate to take the initiative in making peace with our brother, apologizing if necessary? (Matthew 5:23, 24) True, this requires humility, or lowliness of mind, but Peter wrote: "Gird yourselves with lowliness of mind toward one another, because God opposes the haughty ones, but he gives undeserved kindness to the humble ones." (1 Peter 5:5) Humility will move us to ?pursue peace? with our brothers, admitting our mistakes and making appropriate apology. This helps to maintain the unity of Jehovah?s family.?1 Peter 3:10, 11

wt9/15/96 pg 22-24
Practice
the Art of Apologizing
If we make it a practice to apologize when necessary, we are likely to find that people will respond favorably. And perhaps they will even apologize themselves. When we suspect that we have upset someone, why not make it a custom to apologize rather than go to great lengths to avoid admitting any fault? The world may feel that an apology is a sign of weakness, but it really gives evidence of Christian maturity. Of course, we would not want to be like those who acknowledge some wrong yet minimize their responsibility. For instance, do we ever say that we are sorry without meaning it? If we arrive late and make profuse apologies, do we determine to improve our punctuality?
So, then, do we really need to apologize? Yes, we do. We owe it to ourselves and others to do so. An apology can help to ease the pain caused by imperfection, and it can heal strained relationships. Each apology we make is a lesson in humility and trains us to become more sensitive to the feelings of others. As a result, fellow believers, marriage mates, and others will view us as those who deserve their affection and trust. We will have peace of mind, and Jehovah God will bless us.

Well, GB and WTBTS, we are all waiting for you to walk your talk and humbly admit your transgressions. Heal the strained relationships between you and those you have caused to fall away. Show us your humility. Show us that you deserve our affection and trust. Or will you continue to lie and minimize your responsibility?

CORVIIN

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xJWs: Anyone ever read this poem? Any thoughts? Any personal applications?

by True North in

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anyone ever read this poem: http://www.artofeurope.com/larkin/lar2.htm?

[warning to those who may be offended: the poem contains the "f" word (although it's not used in a sexual sense).

] does anyone have any thoughts on it or any personal applications, particularly if you were raised as a jw?

Hunyadi

This is the poem you gave a link to:

Philip Larkin - This Be The Verse

They fuck you up, your mum and dad. They may not mean to, but they do. They fill you with the faults they had And add some extra, just for you. But they were fucked up in their turn By fools in old-style hats and coats, Who half the time were soppy-stern And half at one another's throats. Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don't have any kids yourself.

Although I can relate to this poem on the deepest level, it brings forth some very negative feelings. I feel empathy for any and all who feel that way about their parents, and I at one time felt that way about mine.

Since mom and dad died, the world seems alot less scarier, much smaller yet somehow limitless.

Since I became a man, a husband and a father, I am the sole cause for about 90% of everything that happens to me, therefore, I am now careful of what I cause.

There are only two things in life; reasons and results, and I have come to learn that reasons do not matter.

Yes, mom and dad f-d me up real good as a kid. I cannot, in good conscience as an adult, hold them accountable for the way my life has turned out today. Every decision I have made since I left home has been my own. I own it, and that feels good. It feels powerful to me.

What to do? I can only try with all sincerity and a good heart to break the patterns of behavior exemplified by my parents that hurt me, and give something a little better to my own children and hope they never read a poem like the one above and think of me in those severe terms.

I cannot do much to undo the generations of f-d up thinking and acting heaped upon me by those before me. I can only try to do things differently with my kids, and hope they do things just a bit better with their kids, and so on . . . the pattern gets broken slowly and with time.

Mom, Dad, I forgive you for being such lousy parents, and I know you did the best with what you had been given from your parents. I understand now, and I love you more than ever, even now that you are gone.

I cast back now, as it were, and I feel like this:

Gary Kemp-THROUGH THE BARRICADES

Mother doesn't know where love has gone She says it must be youth that keeps us feeling strong I see it in her face that's turned to ice And when she smiles she shows the lines of sacrifice And now I know what they're saying as our sun begins to fade And we made our love on wasteland and through the barricades Father made my history He fought for what he thought would set us somehow free He taught me what to say in school I learned it off by heart but now that's torn in two And now I know what they're saying in the music of the parade And we made our love on wasteland and through the barricades Born on different sides of life We feel the same and feel all of this strife So come to me when I'm asleep We'll cross the lines and dance upon the streets And now I know what they're saying as the drums begin to fade And we made our love on wasteland and through the barricades Oh turn around and I'll be there There's a scar right through my heart but I'll bear it again I thought we were the human race But we were just another borderline case And the stars reach down and tell us there's always one escape I don't know where love has gone And in this troubled land desperation keeps us strong Fridays child is full of soul With nothing left to lose there's everything to go And now I know what they're saying it's a terrible beauty we've made And we made our love on wasteland and through the barricades And now I know what they're saying as our hearts go to their graves And we made our love on wasteland and through the barricades