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Blood recycling machine bought by JW community

by Wallflower in

accidently came across this news article from the scunthorpe telegraph :.

http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/displaynode.jsp?nodeid=56019&command=displaycontent&sourcenode=56018&contentpk=9562850.

'recycling' could cut blood shortage .

Wallflower

TD said :

JW's in fact donate these machines to hospitals and medical institutions on a regular basis.

plmkrzy said:

I would say it was a longshot that the two are related but who knows.

Is this now WT policy? Are their hundreds of these machines in hospitals all over the world donated by concerned JWs trying to extend their life without offending their consciences. All at $100,000 at a time. If the Org did donate towards the cost of each one, they would be condoning this type of treatment, which goes against earlier statements.

As BluesBrother noted

I have only learned what I have from the internet , where things are explained

Most JWs stay away from the internet, or if they don't, stay away from apostate sites (another conscience matter), so how do they know that it's sort of OK now? I can imagine my JW mothers face if she was ever faced with the option to have a autologous transfusion - she'd wave her Blood card about frantically and die with an unblemished conscience.

Sad.

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Blood recycling machine bought by JW community

by Wallflower in

accidently came across this news article from the scunthorpe telegraph :.

http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/displaynode.jsp?nodeid=56019&command=displaycontent&sourcenode=56018&contentpk=9562850.

'recycling' could cut blood shortage .

Wallflower

I always thought that the Bible's view of blood was one of respect for blood as precious to God.

LyinEyes, this was my opinion. It was so sacred it had to be poured out on the ground!!

Actually, it is now permissible for blood to be taken to another location, treated, returned to the patient's location and reinfused.

Right, so this down to conscience. Everything is a conscience issue. Whether you want to smoke, fornicate, take blood or even run naked through a Circuit Assembly. The difference is that some things you can be disciplined for - smoking, fornicating, while others you might be just depending on how the doctrine is viewed these days - organ transplants in the 70's, cannibalism then but today it's OK. Wasn't the criteria about how others might be 'stumbled' by your actions. For some old fashioned, staunch JW the thought of a blood transfusion, whether with their own blood or not is abhorent and that would be a cause for stumbling. I've been out of the faith for 20 years and this surprised me! When it does finally become a conscience issue, watch the WT move the money one way and the responsibilty another. This will be bigger than 1976 ('cos Armageddon didn't come in '75).

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Blood recycling machine bought by JW community

by Wallflower in

accidently came across this news article from the scunthorpe telegraph :.

http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/displaynode.jsp?nodeid=56019&command=displaycontent&sourcenode=56018&contentpk=9562850.

'recycling' could cut blood shortage .

Wallflower

According to some quick searchs (cheers sKally), Red Blood cells are prohibited. This machine cleans up the blood and you get transfused with your own Red Blood cells.

But I'm still unsure on the transfusing of your own blood is allowed. Can anyone shed any light?

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Russia: Jehovah's Witnessess contracts cancelled

by DevonMcBride in

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http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=297

this article was published by f18news on: 13 april 2004russia: jehovah's witness rental contracts cancelled

by geraldine fagan, moscow correspondent, forum 18 news service

Wallflower

This will turn them into a "secret" society. They will still practice the religion underground.

Back to the Illuminati perhaps? A secret handshake and a trouser leg rolled up before the final prayer at the KH. hehe.

Banning a religion strengthens their religious fervour - they all like a bit of persecution - it keeps them keen, gives good PR to the world and keeps members in other countries on their toes. As to money, they will consolidate their affairs in Russia, perhaps appeal with the help of the UN or some other religious freedom orgs and rake in the donations from JWs world wide. Perhaps setup a seperate contribution box, like they did for Malawi (I seem to remember).

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Blood recycling machine bought by JW community

by Wallflower in

accidently came across this news article from the scunthorpe telegraph :.

http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/displaynode.jsp?nodeid=56019&command=displaycontent&sourcenode=56018&contentpk=9562850.

'recycling' could cut blood shortage .

Wallflower

Accidently came across this news article from the Scunthorpe Telegraph :

http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=56019&command=displayContent&sourceNode=56018&contentPK=9562850

'RECYCLING' COULD CUT BLOOD SHORTAGE 12:30 - 12 April 2004

Cutting edge technology for 'recycling' blood could soon be used to alleviate blood shortages in North Lincolnshire.

A procedure, known as autologous blood transfusion, is already used during operations at Nottingham's Queen's Medical Centre, where a patient's blood is retained during an operation and cleaned before being given back to them. And the hospitals trust which runs Scunthorpe General Hospital, has access to a Cell Saver 5 machine for carrying out the same procedure.

Instead of blood being washed down the drain during operations, it is collected and passed through a machine to clean it, before being returned to the body - no donated blood is required.

Northern Lincolnshire and Goole Hospitals NHS Trust has a machine which was donated to Diana, Princess of Wales at Grimsby by the Jehovah's Witness community in January.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in blood transfusions, and this machine represents an alternative which is acceptable to them.

The machine can also be used more widely to benefit all patients, including those in Scunthorpe.

A spokeswoman for the trust said: "We have an autoblood transfusion machine which was kindly donated to the Trust earlier this year by the Jehovah's Witness community in North East Lincolnshire.

Anyone got any info on this?

I was under the impression that a transfusion of recycled blood, regardless as to whether it is your blood or not, is forbidden. If so, is this an apostate act and would the JWs concerned by disciplined?

How on earth did the JW community manage to raise the money for this unique machine? Boot sales, tombola after the meeting? Would the CO prefer it to go into contributions box? Would the guys in Ridgeway, London have sanctioned this? Is this publicity stunt?

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Prince became a JW because his dieing JW mother asked him to...

by Elsewhere in

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14134817&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=from-sex-god-to-doorstep-bible-basher-name_page.html

nothing like tragedy to turn one to a high-control cult that offers paradise in exchange for submission.

from sex god to doorstep bible basher

Wallflower

Theocratic MF

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The temptation of Jesus

by Leolaia in

in q 4:1-13 (luke 4:1-13), we have the well-known story of jesus' temptation by the devil, which appears to be a haggadic legend derived largely from texts in deuteronomy 6 and 8. here is a list of parallels provided by dale allison: .

1. jesus is "led" in the wilderness (4:1); israel is "led" in the wilderness (deut.

2. jesus is in the wilderness for 40 days and there tempted (4:2); israel is in the wilderness for 40 years and there tempted (deut.

Wallflower

JC said:

But I don't mind the opinions of others based upon their perception, after all, I've often quipped that many atheists, for instance, only lack a face-to-face encounter with an angel or two to change their minds about god and the spirit world.

But this doesn't alter the Christian who is constantly faced with nothing and it doesn't change his/her mind. If all the people who had seen an angel or two would have been the only Christians, we would now live in a world of atheists. Blind faith - it must be such a curse.

Sorry, Leolaia, cracking thread.

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A question for the Athiests....

by desib77 in

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i have a question for those who do not believe in god.....how do you feel that life came to be?.

i'm certainly not criticizing anyone's beliefs.

i'm just trying to figure out what i believe and am curious about all viewpoints.. desi

Wallflower

Isn't that like asking how black became black?

We are here, and that's it.

We are only 100 years into the technological era and look at what we know. Give it a thousand years, if we last that long, and ask the same question again. How did life come about? It's easy as a Christian, we were created, it says so in a collection of books about 2000 years old. As a rational human being I'd like to be a bit more realistic - it's an academic question, how did life begin, why did the dinosaurs die out, what is dark matter? We are here, how we got here is academic. It's interesting, puzzling and one day some academy will figure it out, but I sure as hell am not going to think the future of my soul depends on how the first amino acids came into existence.

IMHO of course.

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