Thanks for the heads up Nathan, but if you were to do a search on my posts you will see that Dung tends to follow me around and reply to most of posts with emphatic, over the top, dramatic, and sometimes slanderous statements. I have repeatedly asked her not to reply to my posts, but she continues.
Posts by amac
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19APOSTATES unreliable witnesses ... huh ?
by alliwannadoislive inan interesting site i stumbled on which concludes that apostates are unreliable witnesses .... http://www.neuereligion.de/eng/kliever/.
conclusions .
the above analysis clearly shows that while there is a certain incidence of apostasy in new religious movements, the overwhelming majority of people who disengage themselves from these non-conforming religions harbor no lasting ill-will toward their past religious associations and activities.
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APOSTATES unreliable witnesses ... huh ?
by alliwannadoislive inan interesting site i stumbled on which concludes that apostates are unreliable witnesses .... http://www.neuereligion.de/eng/kliever/.
conclusions .
the above analysis clearly shows that while there is a certain incidence of apostasy in new religious movements, the overwhelming majority of people who disengage themselves from these non-conforming religions harbor no lasting ill-will toward their past religious associations and activities.
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amac
Please see above post for case in point.
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APOSTATES unreliable witnesses ... huh ?
by alliwannadoislive inan interesting site i stumbled on which concludes that apostates are unreliable witnesses .... http://www.neuereligion.de/eng/kliever/.
conclusions .
the above analysis clearly shows that while there is a certain incidence of apostasy in new religious movements, the overwhelming majority of people who disengage themselves from these non-conforming religions harbor no lasting ill-will toward their past religious associations and activities.
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amac
Nathan -
"I think there are plenty of former JWs who have some damned good reasons to be angry about their experiences in the Borg. "
But that's the point, even if they have the right to be angry, it takes away their objectivity of being an expert witness. Not that what they have to say isn't important...
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NEW JW POLICY POSTED!!!
by amac ini don't know if anyone has posted on this already but there is a new press release at http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm that defines the current jw policy and i believe it has taken a step in the right direction!.
although they have not literally changed it to require reporting to the authorities in all states, they have finally put into print the following: "additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.".
i am glad to see, straight from the wt, acknowledgement that the adults involved have every right to go to the police.
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"I would like to know your thoughts on just what this religion can be reformed into? "
That's a good question. I don't really know. But I don't think it is going anywhere or will be destroyed anytime soon, so small steps in reform is all I can reallistically hope for.
Cass -
I'm sorry if I mislead you with my post. I don't think the negatives are minor in importance, rather minor in number vs the positives. For instance, you listed the most common negatives, DF/Shunning, Blood, Molestation Policies. That is only 3 issues. A small number that can hopefully be tackled in time.
Hmmm-
Thanks for your post. I make that generalization myself, thanks for the correction. I have to constantly remind myself that a vocal minority only seems like a majority.
Cheers,
amac
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APOSTATES unreliable witnesses ... huh ?
by alliwannadoislive inan interesting site i stumbled on which concludes that apostates are unreliable witnesses .... http://www.neuereligion.de/eng/kliever/.
conclusions .
the above analysis clearly shows that while there is a certain incidence of apostasy in new religious movements, the overwhelming majority of people who disengage themselves from these non-conforming religions harbor no lasting ill-will toward their past religious associations and activities.
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amac
I would agree with that article to some degree. I disagree that "diehard opponents of the new religions present a distorted view" and "Such apostates always act out of a scenario that vindicates themselves "
I don't think being an opponent results in a distorted view...it can, but not necessarily. And I'm not sure how he came to the conclusion that apostates always act out of scenario that vindicates themselves.
I do agree that there are certain emotional resentments in "apostates" that can easily distort views and prevent objectivity. I think this is evident in AlanF's response where he repeatedly nametag's this man/men as morons. This article obviously struck a cord with AlanF (no offense AlanF as I usually seek out your posts.)
If I was expected to pass judgement on any religion, I would certainly hear out it's apostates, but also keep in mind the obvious emotional connection. I would definitely be wary about using an apostate as an expert witness. Not that I wouldn't, but I would be very cautious.
Cheers,
amac
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NEW JW POLICY POSTED!!!
by amac ini don't know if anyone has posted on this already but there is a new press release at http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm that defines the current jw policy and i believe it has taken a step in the right direction!.
although they have not literally changed it to require reporting to the authorities in all states, they have finally put into print the following: "additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.".
i am glad to see, straight from the wt, acknowledgement that the adults involved have every right to go to the police.
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Path -
Thank you for your post. I always appreciate your posts as they are honest and balanced. I do realize and agree with what you stated about the views of the majority of this board. I guess I secretly hope otherwise, or that I can help throw a different angle on things to help people feel otherwise.
The reason I am much more for reform rather than the destruction of the WT is because I view this religion (and most religions) as almost a vice. Many JWs are very dependent on their religion. If the WT wasn't around, they would probably replace it with something similar. I think the negatives of the WT are minor enough that a reform would be better than destruction to avoid the recreation of an institution either similar or even worse.
I have many friends and family that are JWs and they are very happy and very good people and truly love God and their religion. I have no interest in taking that away from them if it brings them happiness. I do not like the negatives that come along with it, but I would rather eradicate the negatives than tear the whole thing down.
I feel this way about most religions, because most of them offer some type of spiritual fortitude.
Cheers,
amac
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Name some must have rock records
by Leander ini've spent a lot of time on allmusic.com and it amazes me how much nirvana is mentioned when the reviewers rate other albums.
so its a no brainer that nirvana's work should probably have a place in every rock collection, but what are some other albums every rock fan should listen to if not own.
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amac
How many do you want listed? I could go on forever...
Curtis Mayfield - Curtis
Ray Barreto - Acid
De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
Skull Snaps - S/T
The Beta Band - The First 3 EPs and Hot Shots 2
Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
Fleetwood Mac - Rumours
Jurassic 5 - Quality Control
Aretha Franklin - I Never Loved A Man (The Way I Love You)
David Axelrod - Songs of Experience
I'll stop here, if you need more, just ask...
amac
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JWs Are The Smartest People on Earth
by comforter incomforter is just pulling your leg guys!!!
at least i hope so!!
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amac
I do think this thread is either a joke or someone trolling. If not, then Comforter, you are an idiot and beyond help, therefore not worth an argument.
However, it's a shame to see people jump to the defense with the old "JW's are dumb." Some ex-JWs and Apostates are so confident in their theories of life and religion, that they are very similar to a hardcore JW.
There are many ways to measure "smarts." Don't assume that because a person chooses not to pursue institutionalized education because of religous beliefs that they are dumb. Mistaken maybe, but not dumb or stupid. I would never make the generalization that a group of uneducated people are dumb.
I was glad to see balanced arguments from the likes of bonovox, joannadandy and others.
amac
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Candles and JWs
by badboy ini wonder how many jws r aware that candles have pagan origins as admitted by bishop newman(sp?
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should a faithfull jw have anything to do with candles therefore?
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amac
I don't think this particular topic has anything to do with mind control as I know ZERO JWs with an aversion to candles and I do not recall any warnings about using candles. I would assume that any experience otherwise, for instance, the elder at the wedding, is a result of some Pharisaical JW, as Blondie pointed out. Some people view having a strict conscience as an attestment to spirituality, so they are always quick to find something to be offended about that the average witness would never notice.
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Is Morrissey a JW?
by Sirona ini love morrissey, actually.
recently it occurred to me that some of his lyrics reflect the jw mindset pretty well.
note "every day is like sunday" lyrics below (bolded for emphasis):trudging slowly over wet sand.
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amac
Ouija board, ouija board, will you work for me?
I think that settles the issue.