Posts by AMarie

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Hi my names josephus, and i am an apostate.

by josephus in

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well this is the day.. i mentioned to my mum that i read a good book recently about dates, and cronology.. she blew up and told me i was just trying to read anything that attempts to disprove jws.. apparently i am like those apostates, and people didnt want to talk to my because of it.. "this is the truth", she said.. well i am now an apostate.

it doesnt feel as bad as i thought it would.. josephus

AMarie

Let me elaborate a bit more for you, YoYoMama. I believe that the bible is unbiased also. However, what about all of those wonderful Christians out there that live moral lives but don't interpret it the way you do?

Also, you wouldn't know where to research the bible besides Watchtower Publications. They spoon feed you all that they want you to know, because they are the "mouthpiece of god" which you are not to question. People here such as Joelbear looked deeply into things beside WT publications and began disagreeing with WTBTS.

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Hi my names josephus, and i am an apostate.

by josephus in

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well this is the day.. i mentioned to my mum that i read a good book recently about dates, and cronology.. she blew up and told me i was just trying to read anything that attempts to disprove jws.. apparently i am like those apostates, and people didnt want to talk to my because of it.. "this is the truth", she said.. well i am now an apostate.

it doesnt feel as bad as i thought it would.. josephus

AMarie

Uhhhh.....Thanks for answering my question so thoroughly YoYoMama.

Do you want to know why you didn't say more than one sentence? Because your answer would have been, "The Watchtower literature is an unbiased source or information." and we all know that's a bunch of bullshit. You and I both know that you have absolutely no logical answer for Farkel's question. You've been cornered and have no answer for it.

I'm not sure if it was in this thread or another, but you said that the Organization may have to answer to Jehovah for some of the mistakes it made. If the organization has a possibiltiy of being judged harshly from Jehovah, how could it be the mouthpiece of god? Obviously, it is just like every other religion that JWs profess NOT to be like. Your theories sink again, YoYoMama.

AMarie

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Why can some question and others not

by joelbear in

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we are not jehovah's witnesses because of a variety of circumstances, but one thing we all share is that we question.. what factors come together to make us questioners?.

intelligence?

but i know a lot of very smart non-questioning jehovah's witnesses.. bravery?

AMarie

Wow. People have made alot of interesting points on this thread, some that I hadn't pondered before.

I understand what you mean Joel, as to not being able to put your finger on what makes people leave. For me, it was an indescribable feeling in the pit of my stomach that told me things were just not right. There are so many discrepancies in what the organization teaches. It's almost like my soul and mind wanted to grow but couldn't because of the JW limitations. I wanted to reach out and make a difference with human kind, but we were warned of "bad association" in the world. I think human beings have the natural desire to love and connect with others, but the WTS prevented you from doing that by limiting who you associated with. I was eager to learn, but was told college was bad as another Watchtower was shoved in my face to read. And above all, it was the lack of individuality. As many of you said, you weren't allowed to have your own thought, opinions and consciences.

AMarie

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Hi my names josephus, and i am an apostate.

by josephus in

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well this is the day.. i mentioned to my mum that i read a good book recently about dates, and cronology.. she blew up and told me i was just trying to read anything that attempts to disprove jws.. apparently i am like those apostates, and people didnt want to talk to my because of it.. "this is the truth", she said.. well i am now an apostate.

it doesnt feel as bad as i thought it would.. josephus

AMarie

YOYO:

I think Farkel raised an excellent question. How do you personally define "unbiased". Also, what would you consider to be an unbiased source for finding information on JWs. You say that apostate material is biased and obviously JW literature is going to be biased also. What is your opionion?

AMarie

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Whos Who

by Stacey in

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can someone post the link to the whos who page?

.

thanks.

AMarie

Here's a question:

How do we get listed on Who's Who?

AMarie

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Is Life What You Make It?

by Englishman in

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life is what you make it.. broadly speaking, i do believe that.

it seems to me that most persons fall into 1 of 3 categories:.

1. the well-balanced person who is a good achiever and enjoys the fruitage of his labours.

AMarie

Wow, Englishman. Your summary is very true, however, I think that we can be a mixture or move from category to category in our life, depending on our experiences and how old we are.

Unfortunately, growing up I fit totally into category 2. I was extremely self critical of everything I did. I was so negative that my own mother called me the "neurotic" child of the bunch. Although I am still inclined to be that way sometimes, I feel with age and experience that I've moved more towards number one. I've relaxed a bit and developed a sense of humor. I really don't think that started happening until I left the Dubs, to tell you the truth!

Extreme fundamental religions such as the dubs tend to nurse such personalities as group #1 and #3.

AMarie

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apostate gathering in Las Vegas very important!!!

by rekless in

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dung beetle has been in touch with me.... we need to know how many to plan for.... this has to do with trying to find an area that is free possibally even having those living in las vegas making the main meal the those who are out of towners buy deli salids and so forth.. it can happen but please let's get this organized to a degree it will come off smoothly.. if it is just a gaming thing then it is a gaming thing...but if it is a serious gathering to meet and associate then that is another thing which i am interested in.. dan

AMarie

I'm pretty sure my boyfriend and I will be there. It all depends on how much money we have after Xmas, but I'm 75% sure we'll end up going.

AMarie

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I FEEL SO USED

by Serena in

i have been "fooling around" with brother charlie for a couple months.

going to his apartment and spending the night with him.

i am so in love with him, i would do anything for him, anything at all.

AMarie

Serena:

Please disregard what YoYoMama said. She's a perfect example of the JWs screwed up thinking.

You need to be strong, Serena, no matter how much you love him, dump his ass, pronto. Besides saving yourself from further emotional abuse, you are going to be setting your limits and letting him know you are worth more than what he's giving you and you won't stand for it. As other posters said, it's gonna hurt and be hard at first, but eventually, believe it or not, you WILL get over him and actually be happy that you aren't involved with somebody so pathetic. Trust me, I've been there, on both sides actually. Trust me.

AMarie

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1 Cor. 13:12

by YoYoMama in

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what did paul mean when he said "at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror."?.

was he not annointed?

did jehovah not reveal everything to him?

AMarie

Good Point, Yo Yo Mama. I can see why JWs put their faith in the Governing Body...Because they believe truth is being given to them in bits and pieced through these men according to 1 Corinthians.

However, how can we be so sure that all of these men have good intentions. Even though they are "annointed", they are still imperfect human beings. It is very easy for power to go straight to their heads. Maybe you should speak to some ex-Bethelite and ex-elders and hear their stories. Being that they saw how the society ran first hand.

How are we expected to stay in a religion that runs the way it does? Sure, there is alot of good points about the JW religion, however, it doesn't outweigh the bad. We were told to put up with our brother's inperfections, which was sound counsel considering we're all imperfect. However, how much it too much. When does imperfection become corruption? If god truthfully is going to destroy all of those who are not in the JW religion, but love him with all of their hearts, then I would gladly be first in line to go. It is incomprehensible that a god of love would do something like that.

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I need advice

by AMarie in

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hey everybody:.

i am in desperate need of advice and i was wondering if any of you could help me out.

i'm in a bit of a pickle.. here's the story:.

AMarie

Thanks for responding to my e-mail everybody.

Thank you for the advice, Freddy. I am very careful so as to avoid unwanted babies, so I'm OK in that aspect, and meetings caused enough problems in my life. Thank you for the advice, though.

Marilyn, momoftwo, Billygoat, JBean and Openminded: Thank you very much for your advice. Honesty, indeed, is the best policy and even if it is painful for both of us at the time, it would be best for me to cut the relationship off so that he can find somebody who loves him. Thank you so very much for letting me vent! God knows I can't vent to my family without the "You need to come back to meetings" lecture. I hope you are right, Billygoat, and it is just a pair of earrings or something. We've been together for over a year and have talked a little about marriage lately, which he was very enthusiastic about. That is why I think it is a ring. I knew we would come to this point eventually, but I was just hoping it wouldn't be so soon. I'll keep everybody updated on what happens.

AMarie