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  Do you really want to see JWs wiped out?

  by ScoobySnax in

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  No,

  Most witnesses are meek people. The fact that they are eagerly following the guidance of the WT shows that they are humble. Many have had rough lives, and came into the borg, to find a degree of peace and comfort. The problem is, that the GB and the writing committee, is very subtle about contolling a person's mind. Once that mind has been closed, they run with it.

  The witnesses as a group should not be wiped out, they are acting according what they 'know' what is right. It is the GB, that should be df'd and disciplined for what they have done and are doing. But I don't feel that even they should be wiped out. Wiping out doesn't solve anything. Correction does.

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  What made you leave?

  by Joysome in

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  by this i mean what was it specifically that said to you that this isn't the truth?

  caused you to give up what you always thought was the truth?

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  The protection of child molesters by the WT. The threat if you were to expose the molester.
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  FORMER JW ELDERS, on JWD, 2004 LIST

  by jst2laws in

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  it has been difficult getting my old database to accept new info and then there was no way to edit the old thread so this is it on a new thread.

  this is a follow up from the older: .

  yrs bethel

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  I can't help but have some mixed feelings/ if not guilt, about the good intentions by jst2laws. It is good to see that there are other elders who have now left the borg. For whatever reason they have left, is not as important, as the fact that they have had the experience from deep within the borg, and seen the hypocracy that the WT promotes.

  On the other hand the sisters, and those who were not elders or ministerial servants, have a bad taste in their mouth, when they hear the word 'elder'. I can appreciate and understand that. I have seen many who abused the 'system' and those who were affected by this, have some true reasons for feeling this way.

  I myself was an elder, and now looking back on my position, I can help but feeling guilty and bad now. I must admit, I was contolled by the WT, and acted what I 'thought' what was right. But now having the birds eyeview and seeing things differently, my eyes are opened and I have guilt feelings about having been on so many committees. Over the course of time I have df'd a few, and now that they have not found their 'place', I have this overwhelming desire to contact them, and telling them the 'other' side of the borg. And try to give them some direction.

  I don't know I, am torn in two. On the one hand I am glad to see other elders, that have left. And these were men like myself, and still have compassion for people. On the other hand, I by no means want to boast about the fact that I was an elder at one time. I feel like laying low key around those who were affected by the elder body.

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  FORMER JW ELDERS, on JWD, 2004 LIST

  by jst2laws in

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  it has been difficult getting my old database to accept new info and then there was no way to edit the old thread so this is it on a new thread.

  this is a follow up from the older: .

  yrs bethel

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  just2laws:, in your notes box: add 18 years elder, 2 years PO.
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  Pedophiles in Good Standing

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  here is a very good quote you can use against the society from a watchtower publication that everyone knows: .

  you can live forever in paradise on earth book, pages 187-188: .

  "if church members who gamble, get drunk or do other wrongs are permitted to remain in good standing within their church, what does this show?

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  "Even if he [the child molester] is repentant is cut to the heart and is thus resolutely determined to avoid such conduct in the future what was stated in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower applies. The article said: "For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer [full-time missionary of Jehovah's Witnesses] or serve in any other special, full-time service." He would not qualify Scripturally. (1 Timothy 3:2, 7-10)

  I know of two elders in a nearby congregation, who have molested their own daughters for several years. And they are currently serving as elders again. They were removed for a while, and the CO threatened the elder body to remain quiet, or else face the consequenses of being disfellowshipped on the grounds of slander. One of the elders who has knowledge of this, has also decided to leave the borg.

  Elders have an 'ecclesiastical priveledge'. Yet having knowledge of something and remaining confidential about it is one thing. Having knowledge of a crime and condoning it, is another. Once a molester, always a molester. That is a given fact. The society is abusing the 'ecclesiastical priveledge' bestowed upon them.

  The WT prints articles that make the average witness feel 'safe'. But the reality is far different. For instance the person who was a molester before he was a witness, and reaches out for the position of oversight, will be asked if he was ever involved in such a practice, before he can be given that priveledge. A report goes to the head quarters, and often he can serve on the basis that he is a changed man now. This is very dangerous, to allow such a man in the trust of children.

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  Post your ugly mug

  by SC_Guy in

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  ok, this is kind of a silly thread... but... since i haven't seen any really recent "post your photo" threads, i'll start one.

  you know how it goes... post a recent picture of yourself - don't be fooled by the topic title, lol... it doesn't have to be ugly.

  ok, me first... ugly mugshots are easy for me to take being that i am just utterly hideous.

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  Xena, great lips...................
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  smashed emotions

  by Celtic in

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  how do you put a broken egg back together?.

  does anyone get my drift?.

  celt

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  You don't. You make the best of it. Make an omelette or poached. Get my drift?
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  The Holy Spirit

  by Leolaia in

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  this was posted originally in the rodney dangerfield thread......

  i don't really know much about the trinity other than what i was told as a jw but it does seem to me that the holy ghost is definitely running a distant third in the popularity contest.

  when jws get into arguments with trinitarians, it's almost always about whether jesus is god, isn't it?

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  Leolaia,

  Could you repeat what you just said?
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  To Those With "Ears" to Hear...

  by AGuest in

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  in the spirit of the love of my lord, the son of god and his christ, i say to you, by means of the spirit of god that is in me, holy spirit:

  along with all those everywhere who are wishing to know that one?

  the truth that can truly set you free... hear him when he speaks to you.

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  The truth has not set her free yet.........
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  SPOT ON!

  by Dansk in

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  claire, knowing of my interest in buddhism, recently purchased a book for me: exploring karma & rebirth by nagapriya (published by windhorse http://www.windhorsepublications.com/.

  on page 5, in the introduction, the following paragraph made me sit up as i immediately thought about jwism:.

  "it is common to approach religious doctrines in the same way as we approach everyday statements about experience: we think they are either 'true' or 'not true'.

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  Dansk,

  Interesting that you are looking into Buddism. I recently went to a Buddist temple, listen to a lecture from a visiting monk from San Fransisco. He made a lot of sense. He was originally from Sri Lanka, and was a wise man. The simplicity of the Buddist faith, made a lot of sense. I am just learning about it. I wanted to see what others believe.

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