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U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced !

by Rabbit in

former teacher jailed for trying to abduct girl in holywellmar 12 2009 by our correspondent, western mail.

a former teacher, businessman and senior jehovahs witness who tried to abduct a five-year-old was yesterday jailed for six years.. robert edward bill, 54, was told by a judge that he was still in denial about his predatory interest in young children despite a series of convictions.. he has been found guilty at separate trials of the attempted abduction of the girl in holywell two years ago, of indecently assaulting a seven-year-old 10 years ago, and of possessing 730 pornographic images of children.. prosecuting at caernarfon crown court, simon medland described how the girl had been returning home from a playground when bill, for malign purposes, drew up in his car and asked: have you seen a cat?.

by chance the girls uncle arrived at the scene at that moment and her mother, who had been watching from a window, ran to her.. mr medland said bill of the roe, st asaph, denbighshire, had been driving slowly around areas where he was likely to come into contact with children that same day.

Rabbit

AND "senior" jw?

I was wondering about that myself...elder rank or above ? Jah sure annoints some real losers, doesn't HE ? Any of you UK peeps know what 'rank' he was ?

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U.K. JW Pedophile -- Sentenced !

by Rabbit in

former teacher jailed for trying to abduct girl in holywellmar 12 2009 by our correspondent, western mail.

a former teacher, businessman and senior jehovahs witness who tried to abduct a five-year-old was yesterday jailed for six years.. robert edward bill, 54, was told by a judge that he was still in denial about his predatory interest in young children despite a series of convictions.. he has been found guilty at separate trials of the attempted abduction of the girl in holywell two years ago, of indecently assaulting a seven-year-old 10 years ago, and of possessing 730 pornographic images of children.. prosecuting at caernarfon crown court, simon medland described how the girl had been returning home from a playground when bill, for malign purposes, drew up in his car and asked: have you seen a cat?.

by chance the girls uncle arrived at the scene at that moment and her mother, who had been watching from a window, ran to her.. mr medland said bill of the roe, st asaph, denbighshire, had been driving slowly around areas where he was likely to come into contact with children that same day.

Rabbit

Former teacher jailed for trying to abduct girl in Holywell

Mar 12 2009 by Our Correspondent, Western Mail

A FORMER teacher, businessman and senior Jehovah’s Witness who tried to abduct a five-year-old was yesterday jailed for six years.

Robert Edward Bill, 54, was told by a judge that he was still in denial about his predatory interest in young children despite a series of convictions.

He has been found guilty at separate trials of the attempted abduction of the girl in Holywell two years ago, of indecently assaulting a seven-year-old 10 years ago, and of possessing 730 pornographic images of children.

Prosecuting at Caernarfon Crown Court, Simon Medland described how the girl had been returning home from a playground when Bill, “for malign purposes”, drew up in his car and asked: “Have you seen a cat?”

By chance the girl’s uncle arrived at the scene at that moment and her mother, who had been watching from a window, ran to her.

Mr Medland said Bill of The Roe, St Asaph, Denbighshire, had been driving slowly around areas where he was likely to come into contact with children that same day. He’d claimed that he was trying to fix a mechanical problem with his car.

A police inquiry had revealed the car had also been driven in an “odd manner” at Flint that day, stopping when children came into view.

Mr Medland said that when Bill had a playground equipment company he had been warned off a Towyn holiday park by police after officials there became concerned about his conduct with children.

The barrister said the indecent assault had occurred at St Asaph. Although the girl had recalled seeing a camera there was no evidence it had been used.

David Potter, defending, pointed out the offences did not involve touching, grabbing or coercion.

He said Bill had hoped to return to teaching, but this would now be impossible.

Bill had also run two successful businesses in the past, but his last one had now been effectively wound up. He was a family man, a grandfather described as being devoted to his wife of 30 years.

Since his arrest in June 2007, Mr Potter said Bill had had a torrid time. He accepted the need for his behaviour to be monitored in future and that his actions had brought fear and suspicion for his family and church, while the nightmare of his arrest would be a constant reminder that his life would never be the same.

Judge Philip Hughes imposed a four-year sentence for attempted abduction, one-and-a-half years for indecent assault and six months for possessing the pornographic images most of which, he said, were of the lowest category.

He said: “The nature of your offending demonstrates you have an unhealthy sexual and predatory interest in young children which, despite your convictions, you continue to deny.”

Bill, who has been in custody for nearly 18 months, will have to register as a sex offender for 10 years and a Sexual Offences Prevention Order was made which limits any contact with children.

Bill, in a neat grey suit and tie, had wept during part of the evidence. As he left the dock to begin his sentence, he embraced his son and kissed his wife as he passed behind where they sat awaiting their sentences.

Jacqueline Bill, his 51-year-old wife, received a suspended six-month jail sentence after pleading guilty to trying to pervert the course of justice by destroying a laptop hard drive, and must do 250 hours unpaid work.

Bill’s son David, 24, of Mount Road, St Asaph, must do 150 hours unpaid work after also admitting that he tried to pervert the course of justice.

Judge Hughes told them: “I recognise that you were both in a misguided way trying to protect a husband and father.”

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/03/12/former-teacher-jailed-for-trying-to-abduct-girl-in-holywell-91466-23126095/

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Would American Witnesses Really Die For Their Beliefs?

by Dune in

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back in march 2002, right after 9/11, a few elders took me and some other congregation youth to a march madness game.

as with any american sport, the national anthem is played before the game starts.

growing up, i've been to school pep rallies, assemblies, games and i never stood up for any of the anthems/pledges (nothing ever happened, my friends just called me a 'commie'), so i was suprised when the elder gets up, leans over and says that i should probably stand up, which i did.

Rabbit

Homerovah

Many do, some wont, thats the fact of the matter and a sad one.
Its been estimated that @ 100 JWS die needlessly every year due mostly to not taking a blood transfusion.
That's The Truth ©. My JW Mom was fooled into following that exact path. She thought she was "...making Jah smile." From what I've read of Him...I think she succeeded.

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New HBO series on jws

by rebel8 in

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no, not really, you big silly.. if there was a fictional tv drama about jws, like big love, what would it be called?.

and what would the plot contain?

it would need to be entertaining to avoid cancellation..

Rabbit

"Secret Guantanomo WatchTower Tribunals"

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Common Sense Decision in South Africa

by jamiebowers in

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20090220054001117c891248.

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Rabbit

Thanks for posting this link Jamie. This is a real sore point for me...I lost my JW mother to this issue and many years ago, my then wife -- a JW, and I chose making Jehovah 'smile' by refusing a blood transfusion for our baby. Despite our best 'Abrahamic' devotion and love...our child did live. I carry a lot of shame -- now.

Court saves Jehovah's Witness girl's life

By Kanina Foss

A 12-year-old Jehovah's Witness girl has received a life-saving blood transfusion that she did not want after a Johannesburg High Court order gave doctors the go-ahead.

The girl, who suffers from leukaemia, was admitted to Chris Hani-Baragwanath Hospital on Tuesday. Despite being told that a blood transfusion was needed to save her life, the girl and her parents refused to consent to the procedure.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that it's against God's will to take other people's blood, or one's own blood that has been stored, into one's body.

The official website of Watchtower, a Jehovah's Witness organisation to which The Star was referred by the Jehovah's Witnesses of South Africa, says: "True Christians will not accept a blood transfusion. They want to live, but they will not try to save their life by breaking God's laws."

The Gauteng Department of Health said doctors consulted the girl's parents and church elders to explain the need for the transfusion. When their explanations were rejected, they brought an urgent application before the High Court on Wednesday.

The court order was issued on the same day, and the girl was given a transfusion immediately.

According to Department of Health spokesperson Phumelele Kaunda, the parents respected the court's decision.

The girl is doing well.
SA Human Rights Commission chairperson Jody Kollapen said that in such cases, the right to life took precedence over the right to religion.

He said adults were regarded as fit to make informed decisions about their own bodies, but in the case of a child, state intervention was sometimes necessary.

Jehovah's Witnesses argue that there are often alternatives to a blood transfusion, and they want to be allowed to consider other options.

They base their beliefs on biblical text such as Acts 21, verse 25: "As for the believers from among the nations, we have sent out, rendering our decision that they should keep themselves from what is sacrificed to idols as well as from blood and what is strangled and from fornication."

In November, the Pietermaritzburg High Court granted an urgent order authorising a blood transfusion for a four-day-old baby boy who was born 15 weeks premature. His Jehovah's Witness parents had refused to give their consent, despite a prognosis from the doctor involved.

This article was originally published on page 2 of The Star on February 20, 2009

Published on the Web by IOL on 2009-02-20 05:40:00

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How many ATHEISTS don't believe that they came from FISH?

by hooberus in

how many atheists are there who don't believe that they came from fish ?.

the outspoken ones that i have come into contact with always seem to (when pressed anyway) advocate such a thing.

many of them surely even put something like it on their car, such as:.

Rabbit

I saw, I came, I conquered the fish. I ate it. It is a part of me. I'm not feeling too well.

Fish now comes from -- me. A unique new form of life...

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Darwin was Wrong

by Earnest in

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this is the cover article of a recent issue of new scientist and as this is a common debate on the forum it might be of interest.

darwinian evolution is usually portrayed as a tree of life from which every living thing originates and which splits into many branches, each branch representing a new species.

since the structure and function of dna was discovered it has been expected that the more closely species are related the more alike their dna ought to be.

Rabbit

Another article (and Title) you'll never see in the Awake! University textbooks.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090126082351.htm

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Alaska Villages 'Dumping Ground' for Abusive Priests

by Rabbit in

like abusive jw elders...catholic priests have their own pedophile paradise.. .

read and weep.

http://abcnews.go.com/thelaw/story?id=6702044&page=1.

Rabbit

*Knock*Knock*

Is this thing on ?

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Alaska Villages 'Dumping Ground' for Abusive Priests

by Rabbit in

like abusive jw elders...catholic priests have their own pedophile paradise.. .

read and weep.

http://abcnews.go.com/thelaw/story?id=6702044&page=1.

Rabbit

Like abusive JW elders...Catholic priests have their own Pedophile Paradise.

Read and weep

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=6702044&page=1

Lawsuit: Alaska Villages 'Dumping Ground' for Abusive Priests

Lawyers Claim Hundreds of Alaska Natives Abused by Jesuit Priests

By SCOTT MICHELS

Jan. 22, 2008—

Whenever it happened, Flo Kenney said she counted the thin wooden slats in the ceiling of the father superior's spartan room at the Holy Cross Mission in Alaska's lower Yukon territory. As long as she counted the same number each time -- 123 -- she felt as is she'd be OK.

She says she never told anyone about the priest's alleged sexual abuse, which she said started when she was about 13 or 14, until years later.

"It affected my whole life. It made me unresponsive to other human beings," she said. "I don't feel like I've had a normal relationship with another human being."

When Rena Abouchuk told her family about the things one of the Jesuit deacons in the Alaskan village of St. Michael did with the young girls, the ways he made them touch him, she said her parents told her not to say such things. "I was just a child who knew nothing but to trust my family and people who taught me about God," she said.

Kenney and Abouchuk are among a group of 43 Alaska Natives who claim in a lawsuit that the Jesuit order used remote Alaskan villages as a "dumping ground" for priests who sexually abused children, and accuse the president of Seattle University, who led the Jesuit order in the region from 1990 to 1996, of covering up some of the alleged abuse.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs say the latest claims are part of a larger pattern of alleged abuse over nearly 60 years by Jesuit priests in Alaska, involving at least 315 known victims, nearly all of them Native Alaskans, and nearly 30 abusers.

Lawyers Claim Pattern of Abuse of Alaska Natives

Another 60 men and women who say they were abused by Jesuits in remote parts of northern Alaska between the 1940s and 2001 are preparing another lawsuit. Attorneys say that in some villages, some of which have as few as 500 residents, they know of dozens of abuse victims.

The Jesuit Oregon Province, which covers Oregon, Washington, Alaska, Idaho and Montana, has already paid out at least $50 million to settle allegations of abuse by more than 100 Alaska Natives.

The Province is reportedly considering bankruptcy to cope with the claims, though in a statement, the Rev. Patrick Lee, the head of the Province, would say only that the Province is "reviewing all options."

Jesuits Deny Hiding Problem Priests in Alaska

He denied that Alaska was a hiding spot for problem priests, however.

"The Oregon Province takes these allegations seriously and will investigate them to the fullest extent," Lee said. "The Province is committed to a just and healing course in all cases of misconduct and child abuse."

The latest lawsuit claims that Jesuit leaders sent priests with histories of abuse to remote villages, in some cases reachable by only dogsled or plane, so the abuse would not be detected.

They "made a calculated effort, initiated at the highest levels of the Society of Jesus ... to 'dump' these 'problem priests' in a location in which the priests could avoid detection and continued to sexually abuse countless Native children," the lawsuit claims.

"Imagine a situation where there's no police, no fire department, no doctors, no nurses. There's nobody except the priest," said John Manley, one of the lawyers representing the alleged victims.

Kenney said priests were considered the most respected, powerful people in the area and were rarely questioned. Children who tried to report abuse were called filthy minded, she said.

"It was a paradise for abusers," said Kenney, who is now 74 and living in Juneau.

Elsie Boudreau, who said she was abused by Father James Poole in the town of Nome in the 1970s, said the priest was like family.

"He was loved by a lot of people. He was very charismatic," she said. "I figured because he was a priest, and everybody seemed to like him, that this must be OK. I felt I was really special."

"To me," said Boudreau, who settled a separate lawsuit in connection with her allegations against Poole and now works with plaintiffs attorneys, "I thought it was love."

Poole did not return a call seeking comment. In a deposition, he admitted to "French kissing" Beaudreau, starting when she was about 13 but denied that other sexual abuse had occurred.

Kenney said the mission was an isolated place where girls were encouraged not to have much contact with one another. She said each girl was given a number on arrival, and the nuns frequently called her by her number, "Miss 14."

Kenney said she went into deep depression and stopped talking and eating. "I used to wander around with tears coming down my face, day and night," she said.

Lawsuit: Jesuits Kept 'Hell Files' on Abusive Priests

That was when she was sent to the father superior for help, she said. The abuse started soon after, she claims. Kenney, now 74, says she was 13 or 14 at the time.

The lawsuit claims Seattle University President Stephen Sundborg, the head of the Jesuits in the Northwest from 1990 to 1996, had access to "hell files," church documents that contained information about Jesuit priests that was "special," "not public" and "not good."

Sundborg allegedly allowed at least one priest to serve in Alaska during that time frame, despite knowing that he had abused other children, the most recent lawsuit claims.

In a statement, Sundborg said, "The allegations brought against me are false. I firmly deny them. I want the victims and the entire community to know that."

He called the lawsuit "an unprincipled and irresponsible attack on my reputation. Let me be clear -- my commitment to justice and reconciliation for all victims remains steadfast. The sexual abuse by Catholic priests is one of the most shameful episodes in the history of our church. I will continue to work toward the goal of bringing healing to all victims."

Lee said he had never seen evidence that abusers were sent to Alaska.

"Jesuits requested to be assigned to this mission. It was seen as a very challenging place to go, but one which attracted Jesuits who had a deep desire to spread the gospel," he said in a statement.

The claims of abuse range from fondling to child rape, between the 1940s and 2001, in Nulato, Hooper Bay, Stebbins, Chevak, Mountain Village, Nunam Iqua and St. Michael.

But alleged victims like Abouchuk said the priests were known abusers.

"I want to know why they sent them out there. They could have saved a lot of lives. They could have saved our lives," said Abouchuk, who said she was abused when she was a student in the village of St. Michael in the 1970s. "But they never did. They sent them out there."

Abouchuk, now 40 and living in Washington state, claims she was abused by the local deacon beginning when she was 7 years old. The lawsuit claims that the Anton Smario, a church volunteer, abused numerous girls after catechism class.

Smario, who is one of the named defendants in the lawsuit, could not be immediately reached for comment. He was one of several priests and volunteers accused of abuse in a separate lawsuit on behalf of more than 100 alleged victims that settled in 2007 for $50 million. In a 2005 interview with the Los Angeles Times, Smario denied any sexual misconduct, although he said he had been naked in front of the girls who came to his catechism classes.

Abouchuk said Smario would ask girls to stay after class and make them sit in a circle around him and touch him. She said at least six people in the village committed suicide because of the abuse by several Jesuit priests.

"You took it all away from us," she said in a letter she wrote to Smario.

Rachel Mike, who settled a lawsuit against the church in 2006, claims that when she became pregnant from abuse by a priest, he convinced her to have an abortion and say that her father was the baby's father.

"I go to [her father's] grave sometimes and say I lied about him and I cry," she said.

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Woman, 88, Puts the 'Squeeze' on Intruder

by Rabbit in

o-k...before you read this story -- 1st -- look at the guy's eyes .

2nd - notice the man's name.

gee, what a dick !.

Rabbit

VM44
Under Jewish Mosaic law her hand would be cut off.

And...and...if she didn't scream she'd get stoned to death, too!

Heheheheh...I'll bet HE screamed tho'...