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  Why Can You See Through the Watchtower While Others Cannot?

  by The wanderer in

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  compared with the six million jehovahs witnesses worldwide the .

  so-called apostates are comparatively much smaller.

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  I think there are 2 main types of JW's who voluntarily become 'Awake!' and "see through the Watchtower."

  1. Spiritually minded people who cared (and maybe still do) about the differences between what the Bible really says and the WTB&TS's interpretation. In this group I would include people who have gone on to other belief systems.

  2. Socially & somewhat spiritually minded/interested folks (like me) who were more or less raised around the Truth ™ and believed it was the good people and the Love ™ they had that id'd them as "God's Chosen ones."

  I think both of the above groups have to have something BIG happen in their JW lives to make them wake from their trance of JWism.

  It had to get very personal.

  For me, my "lack of faith" made me "spiritually dangerous" and began the slow destruction of my marriage. When my Mom died over the blood issue -- I was finally, fully Awake! But, I was the only JW out of a hundred in my family that did leave so far.

  This is a great question, Wanderer. If we can figure out the answers, we can help a lot of other JW's 'out'.

  Rabbit
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  Im only 2 years old :D

  by IP_SEC in

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  two years here.

  dont seem like it.

  still feel newbish.

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  Congrats to ya' IP !I'm glad to have met ya'. And...I just turned 3 years old a couple of weeks ago myself.

  Seems like we all made some 'New Years resolutions' at some point. Damn, are we worldly or what ?

  Rabbit
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  A Letter to the Governing Body

  by truthsetsonefree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  (km 6/03 p. 1 par.

  9 building for an eternal future, w87 2/1 p. 15 par.

  (km 11/88 p. 4 par.

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  The sincerity and true concern comes thru in your letter very well. Who knows just 'who' will see your excellent letter up in the Ivory Towers of Bethel ? Surely the WT monitors have just seen it...and who knows what will happen if a GB member sees it ?

  I would imagine Ray Franz didn't just wake up one day with his famous "Crises of Conscience," I'm sure he was a listener. Just like 'words' affected us both in becoming JW's, 'words' made us want to leave the WT's influence.

  Think, too, about the doubting searching elders, MS and rank n' file dubs that will read these words here.

  Good for you... I say "Go for it !"

  Rabbit
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  Your Feelings On Getting Reinstated For Family Considerations

  by minimus in

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  i just read the mary/gumby where are they thread.

  i want to say right from the start that i like gumball very much.

  i've talked by phone to him in the past and we've had some discussions here over the years.

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  My friend Gumsbleed,

  I just heard this terrible, yucky news yesterday...damn. Ya' sure put your foot all the way in it, didn't ya'? This brought tears to my eyes and they weren't happy ones.

  However, you know I support you and your very honorable efforts to have some kind of normal relationships with your family. I cannot imagine the price you are paying mentally. When I read about you going golfing with with your grandson, I remember how much associating with my grandchildren means to me, after such a long absence due to shunning. I've worked hard to get to this point and now another daughter is just beginning to show hopeful signs of reconciliation. I have another grandchild I've never seen yet. So, I understand what it feels like to lose it and gain some things back. Having family back in your life is so unbelievably good for the heart.

  I hope things work out well for you, Gumby. Just don't underestimate the power of the cult...don't get yourself lost again. I also hope the elders leave you alone -- later, when the opportunity for the fade happens.

  Good Luck to ya' good buddy,

  Your friend, Rabbit
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  You Are Going to Die at Armageddon

  by The wanderer in

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  was the threat that anyone who was not doing gods will, would suffer the loss of their life.

  during the great day of god almighty.. what affect did that have on you?the fear brought on by this doomsday message probably kept me in the organ-.

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  Dude...don't ya' know...? Harmygeterdun has done been hear n' gone ! It wuz invizible...so is the Pair o' Dise we're livin' in...
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  exJW Obsession and Paranoia towards the Witness Religion- Is it healthy?

  by timetochange in

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  any thoughts?

  time goes on friends, our children are growing and the world moves on.

  clock the hours you spend fighting a non-entity and realize it is time lost.

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  Or perhaps he's still...in ?

  timetochange

  A phase? How long do you think this "phase" should last? 6 months.....6 years? When does "moving on" and saving what's left of our families begin? Ed

  This board and others have helped me tremendously to start "moving on" from the very real damages that Watchtower beliefs have caused me and my family. WT doctrines robbed my Mom's very life [no blood transfusion] from her and our family. My marriage broke up over my doubts and disbelief's...all my children shunned me and I'm not even DF/DA!

  During the time I've spent on this board, 3 years now, reading so many others experiences of how they dealt with shunning and other JW related problems...one of my children chose to re-establish a good relationship and another is making progress. The last one I haven't seen in a few years. I believe I have learned invaluable lessons from the thousands of shunned parents, children and other victims of the WT's teachings. I've learned from the only group of people in the world that could possibly understand what I am up against...and that is...ex-Jehovah's Witnesses.

  The lessons I've learned and the support I've received gave me (I believe) the tools of patience and understanding that helped me reach my daughter's heart. So, in answer to your question: "6 months.....6 years?" I'll just say...whatever it takes!

  What else could be a better goal and time spent than to prove to my kids that a Witness that 'walks away' or 'leaves Jehovah' to become a "worldly person" is still a good person ? To show them there really IS another "place to go" ? Right now they still all live in fear of being shunned and rejected themselves by all the JW's in their life.

  It's a tough, tough social pressure and punishment to go thru, but, I love 'em and I will never surrender!

  Rabbit
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  Would you say yes to a blood transfusion?

  by Fisherman in

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  i would like to get some honest answers about your position on blood transfusion.

  as we get older, sooner or later we wind up in the hospital and the question they always ask is"...in the event.. would you accept blood?

  " faced with that question, i answered no.

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  I've said, "Yes," 5 times during surgeries. Never need it tho'.

  My Mom said, "No," once...and she died... smothering to death in a fine capable hospital by WT beliefs.

  Rabbit
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  Well that was a hard phone call to make

  by SixofNine in

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  it makes me wonder how i would have handled it if i was a witness?

  would i have called?

  she's a woman of particular faith; and it's too late for a conversion, and she gets a ticket to the new system anyway, so what a convenient excuse to do nothing.

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  and if her faith is comforting her, I'll be nothing less than grateful for her faith.

  There are times, in all our lives, where all our little human debates about what we 'think' we know need to be put aside for the greater good of ...comfort. This is certainly one of them.

  Rabbit
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  I guess because we arent like them

  by IP_SEC in

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  2. current

  yesterday i was working outside a convenience store.

  a black woman and her little boy pulled up to get gas and were asked to use a credit card or prepay.

  this is common to everyone around here.

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  And then there is this true story...I pulled up to a gas pump in a predominantly black area in Ft.Worth. I filled-up my truck, walked in and was browsing at the back of the store for a snack, when I overheard the following conversation between the female manager and a young male trainee:

  Manager: OK, like for that white guy, (me) always turn on the pumps and the women, too. But, if it's a black guy...they have to pre-pay...alright?

  Trainee: Uh, OK.

  I didn't hear anything about black women, but, needless to say I was shocked at what was a very racist policy at this Racetrac gas station.

  Both of the employees...were black.

  I paid without comment, because, several customers had come in and were paying -- in advance.

  Rabbit
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  Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....

  by kid-A in

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  with the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .

  http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.

  possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.

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  Buttlight,

  I'd gladly kiss your butt for those posts! Imagine...JW's reading that there is a DIVISION within them ! Founded by their own (unknown) Elders ! I feel a Witch-hunt coming on, but, also a BIG ray of hope for JW's who've always thought they were alone in their nagging doubts. They'll know there are some friendlies among their ranks.

  I wonder if Jim_TX has hit the nail on the head?

  Why would the couple emphatically state they are JWs, then request anonymity? Why do the local elders seem to have no knowledge of them? If an active JW mother was expecting 6(!) children, it would be news all over the circuit!

  Perhaps they are faders, or "closet apostates", or something along those lines. What better way to draw attention to the absurdity of the blood doctrine than to say:

  3) To the medical staff "Don't tell anyone this, but if there were a court order (wink wink) forcing our children to accept blood, we would acquiesce (wink wink)"

  In the wild herd animals instinctively know -- there's safety in numbers. I think it's very possible these JW parents have thought over what might happen if things went wrong with the pregnancy. With all this great publicity and millions of people, lawyers, judges and Child Protective Service types watching the predatory WTB&TS...it'll be real difficult for the predator to attack the prey...quietly and privately as they prefer.

  To wit: Mark Ruge, church spokesman, says the choice of treatment remains a private matter between the parents and the medical team. "It is important for the media and others to avoid making stereotypical assumptions regarding Jehovah's Witnesses," said Ruge. (Why won't everybody just 'shut the f**k up? It's private ya' know!)

  Yeah, private is good. 3 Elders in the Library... private. Don't ya just love it when the light gets shined on these cockroaches? They scatter all over the place. Rabbit