DFshipped,
I Hope things work out for you.
you see Im even talking like a floridian now..y'all
I'm a Californian, I don't think I can do that...ya'll, yal'l, yo'll, you'l...nope it doesn't work for me.
amicus
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R U DFshipped?
by DFshipped ini am a dfshipped person who is working towards reinstatement.. i would like to meet anyone else who also would like to return.. i really would prefer not to meet people who want to criticize my desire to return.
i would like to enjoy and offer encouragemnt to others like me.
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JW's & Child Sexual Abuse Reporting
by JAVA inanother interesting article in the news about jw's not reporting child abuse: .
from the front page of the paducah sun in paduach ky, jan 28th 2001. .
"jehovah's witnesses' handling of child sexual abuse criticized".
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Howdy All,
I just received this from Randy. "Jehovah's Witness Leaders Accused of Shielding Molesters" -
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when the rain clears...
by Deacon inive been reading thesr posts for a while, thinking on them, pondering as the wt has recommended over the years.. having grown up as a witness, and having been involved in both the boring and the more exciting parts of the ministry, i know what it is like to be part of a team, and more importantly , i know what its like to be a team player on gods side.
and then one day, things start to unravel, the marriage, the relationship with bethel, the relationship with members in the congregations, and then, on another later day, suddenly you find yourself on the outside.. so, as time passes, a person begins to miss the association, the meetings, the laughter of the ministry groups, even the smell of the kingdom halls.....and effort is made to restore self to favour....and in time that too....comes to pass.. but here i am, a few years later, once more isolated, but this time by my own choice, beset by doubts and concerns over something that i held and hold sacred.. my circumstances have changed.
i chose the path of marriage again, to a wonderful person that has filled my life with contentment without the pressures of having to be an elder or an example to others in the christian manner, for those that are or have been in positions of oversight, you will know what this means...and yes my wife is one raised as a witness, and having her own journey that she may or may not choose to share with you...in any case, i feel priveleged to know her just for the decent human she is.. so, here i am, watching, reading, thinking....and i admit to being a little lost.. firstly, 607, it may or may not be correct, frankly my dears.... the ever changing date of armaggeddon...well that would appear to be a previousness on the part of the leading lights...after a while it gets tedious and a little self defeating.... the meetings and requirements for field service...well as i see it, the bible indicates it is a requirement to meet together, and furthermore a requirement to tell others about jehovah....the application of the principles have become (almost law,) in order to belong to the organisation known as jehovahs witnesses...that is a minor problem, despite the best efforts from co's and do's from the platform, the unoffical stance is that if you aint cutting it.. you aint spiritual.. now,where im at in this stream of time, along with all the confusion about what is right and what is wrong, i have to just look for other confirmations that jehovahs time is at hand...if indeed it is near at all.. man is now developing life in vacuums, primitive cellular structures it may be, but the leaps of testing criteria has been enhanced by the use of computers to cut time.... man has the ability (proven) to destroy earth.. man is killing the earth.. now if i was the creator, and he once before destroyed civilisation when they built the tower of babel, i would be thinking that soon they would know stuff they shouldnt know, and in any case, the earthdewellers are so dumb they will destroy themselves..id better start big a... my concern is,, that in the bigger picture..does it really matter if we get it so wrong, so many times and so quickly?
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Deacon, I appreciate you taking the time to talk about your situation. Although there are differences, my experience is similar. 30 days ago, more or less, my "love affair" with the WTBTS ended. I find myself now spiritually and emotionally drained. My spiritual condition is probably that of a 5 year old- I believe in a God and I think that God is good, and I hope the Bible is a valid guidebook for me to follow. Emotionally I've got a lot of things to sort through and some decisions to make.
So, here I am, watching, reading, thinking....and I admit to being a little lost.
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Humility
by Gozz inwords of wisdom on humility.
forgiving.
some people have difficulty saying, im sorry.
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Ok, I'll make a serious reply this time.
Seven's point (if I got it right anyways) is pretty much the official WTBTS position. Some JW's aren't aware of it, but the official stand is that the only proper pride is pride in Jehovah (I'll spare everyone the quotes). This is true humility.
I had spent the better part of a day researching this topic and the next morning an elder (a very prideful elder that is) conducting a meeting for field service concluded by saying "So let's go out there and be sure to take pride in what we are doing!" I interjected one last thought, "Yes, of course remembering that the truly humble Christian realizes that our pride is in Jehovah's strength that enables us to be able to do this difficult work, and not in our own abilities". He looked like I had hit him in the forehead with a Louiseville Slugger! I didn't mean to offend him, but..... -
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The Wooden Bowl
by Frenchy inwooden bowl.
a frail old man went to live with his son, daughter-in-law, and four-year grandson.
the old man's hands trembled, his eyesight was blurred, and his step faltered.
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The Raging Sea
by Frenchy inas i think back on my life now i have come to personally experience a verse from a song: "i'd rather be sorry for something i've done that for something that i didn't do.
" i guess that's just a variation of the old addage: 'its better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all'.
fear is a natural (and good) thing but i wonder how much unwarranted fear has robbed us of things that we would have truly enjoyed.
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Frenchy,
Thanks for the poetry. Having just recently freed myself from the WTBTS I feel more alive than I have in years. I look forward to really living the rest of my life. The life of a "mimic" was a hollow life, indeed. -
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R U DFshipped?
by DFshipped ini am a dfshipped person who is working towards reinstatement.. i would like to meet anyone else who also would like to return.. i really would prefer not to meet people who want to criticize my desire to return.
i would like to enjoy and offer encouragemnt to others like me.
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DFshipped
I think you need to reread larc’s post. I detected nothing unfriendly.
That’s about the best advice you can get. (from anyone, anywhere) If you want back in, that is.I do have a question for you though. You obviously accept the teachings of the WTBTS as God’s teachings, so you accept df’ing as scriptural. If an active Witness should shun a df’ed individual, and you want to become an active Witness again, shouldn’t you shun the df’ed also? If you don’t feel the need to shun the df’ed now, when will you start?
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Idiotic Religious Rivalries
by peaceloveharmony insomeone sent this to me and i thought i'd share it with you all.
please read with an open mind.
enjoy:).
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TR,
If I understand what I've read here, "The Lost Who Have Been Found" has just been sanctioned. -
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Am I welcome here?
by WanderingStar ini am currently df'd but seriously considering returning to the meetings with a view to reinstatement.
i am looking for honest, open minded discussion.
if i offend you all by being here, please let me know and i wont come back again.. thanks for reading this!
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Hi, WanderingStar, as one of the
honest, open minded, inactive, disruptive, both shallow and deep, critical of the WBTS, kewl, re-spiritual?, I feel used!!, outraged, honest hearted, dissapointed, peaceful and open minded, destructive, futile, self righteous, reasoning, dissedant (dissident), elder at heart, self righteous smug son of a gun, good enough, not judging just wondering, bitter, -kind, nice, loving-, sincere, morbid, interesting, constructive, pretty volatile, hounded, non-judgmental open minded, pretty un-open, good enough to talk to, like to talk, never implied anything other than my desire, in a nutshell, open and honest, fair,
people who post here, I'd like to say that you don't offend me one bit!
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NEW RELIGION! NEED INPUT!
by TR inthis is sort of a take-off of the "what should the wt do" thread.. i need to get together a board of directors and elect a president and officers.
we need to figure out a doctrine, a manifesto, and a set of disciplinary rules.
we need to figure out a way to fund our new movement.
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Well, they already got a Treasurer at Heresy of the Month. I'll volunteer for that position here. I have experience verbally passing the collection basket. It's really quite a trick you know to get up before the cong. once a month and encourage them to fill the coffers, while maintaining the illusion that we don't tithe, nor take collections.
To simplify things I think we can drop the two-signatures-required-on-checks. I can count pretty well, so I don't need anyone else to verify exactly how much money we collect. My accounting skills are decent, so we shouldn't need any auditors either.
Am I in?