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  HELP NEEDED RE: WTS ORGINIZATIONAL CHANGES.

  by Gianluca in

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  i've just been back from a months holiday.

  nice to see that this site is still very active!.

  a jw friend would like to read tha actual wts press release where it says that don adams is tha naw wts president.. i searched jw-media.org for her but did not find it.

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  Duhh. Red-faced, I confess not to looking at the small print lately.

  You are right, the inside magazine cover shows the copyright held by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of PA, but publisher is Watchtower of New York, Inc. Max Larson was for many, many years the Factory Servant/Overseer and has the title of Pres of the NY corp.

  I knew that but I had forgotten that Milton Henschel was president of BOTH NY and PA corps. His name was on the magazine inside cover. Adams is pres of the PA corporation and runs the Executive office in Brooklyn.
  
  Ooops, sorry.

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  BERRY LAWSUIT EVALUATED

  by MadApostate in

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  i would like to preface my discussion of the recently filed berry lawsuit with several remarks.

  first, i am not an attorney, and my only connection with the legal profession is that which occasionally arises out of my personal or business affairs.

  second, i have no access to court records, opinions, etc., other than what is available via internet search engines.

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  : : State courts may not interfere in matters concerning religious doctrine or organization.

  That statement stands out like a beacon.

  I don't find the quote readily, but I think what Max said was, that Rees was "deader than a doornail" because 'simplistically speaking' or 'in essence' you can't sue a church in that state and the SSC could not by statute advance it to the Supreme Court. Not that the Supreme Court rejected it. It was not a "loss." He deferred to Rees attorney Waxman for details.

  I'm going back and re-reading this since you picked up Hawk. There are some real nuggets in this.

  Thanks!

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  BERRY LAWSUIT EVALUATED

  by MadApostate in

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  i would like to preface my discussion of the recently filed berry lawsuit with several remarks.

  first, i am not an attorney, and my only connection with the legal profession is that which occasionally arises out of my personal or business affairs.

  second, i have no access to court records, opinions, etc., other than what is available via internet search engines.

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  : State courts may not interfere in matters concerning religious doctrine or organization. (From the court record above)

  Isn't that essentially what Maximus has been saying?
  Hawkaw, thank you v e r y much for this most helpful thread.

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  Why lawsuits against WTS could be good for them

  by Eyebrow in

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  i have been reading a lot about the lawsuits against local congregations and the wts regarding sexual abuse, and how it is perceived that the organization actually shields the abuser.. well, in many cases, this is true.

  i don't believe that it is true in all.

  but, my point for this post is that these lawsuits brought forward will acutally be good for jws.. why?

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  : I do not believe that the policies of the WTS are to shield the abuser

  Please take the time to read the many threads here on the subject. Many of them are very well informed. There are very enlightened policies in effect in "Christendom" that should be adopted by JWs; it seems the light got brighter for them before Watchtower.

  WTS claims to be directed by God. If so, God's policies of two witnesses are seen to be unenlightened, its entire judicial process a failure. The code of silence in God's organization is seen to produce rotten fruits, ruining lives in the process. Elders live in a culture that dictates they should NOT report and should investigate every tiny detail about the crime.

  The Society's policies on Child Blood Abuse (CBA) kills innocent children by letting them bleed to death.

  People may change their attitude, but do not miss the point: the Society is being led kicking and screaming to a change of policy. It is not voluntary by any means. They are going to point to the lawsuits as evidence of persecution by "opposers of the preaching work." It will not be acknowledged as the passionate work of reformers who post on this board.

  Welcome eyebrow!

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  HELP NEEDED RE: WTS ORGINIZATIONAL CHANGES.

  by Gianluca in

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  i've just been back from a months holiday.

  nice to see that this site is still very active!.

  a jw friend would like to read tha actual wts press release where it says that don adams is tha naw wts president.. i searched jw-media.org for her but did not find it.

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  Look to the inside cover of The Watchtower, down at the bottom, with publisher information. That is as official as it gets.

  You'll find the name there. Easier than dredging up some press release, which probably didn't happen anyway.

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  Re: Judah Ben Schroeder

  by sf in

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  i pulled this out of the "berry case evaluated" thread so my questions would not be overlooked:.

  i just want to make sure i fully understand, as stated here as fact, that judah schroeder was never, is or ever will be, in any way, shape or form, a "representative" or "director" for any part of the wtbts; no matter what corporate name you call them.. what has he done and/ or what were his "duties"?.

  please, a history of the man, if you will.. in appreciation, skally

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  sKally, you are forcing something that is not there.

  You have read on this board that JW reps try to present JWs in the best possible light, as they did in this opportunity at a "briefing," attempting to show that poor JWs are mistreated in Russia along with other minorities. That was part of the Public Affairs department of the Society that has now been revised to be J. R. Brown the spokesman. Schroeder was not part of a "team," which included a rep from the Sierra Club! He was just one of those who presented information at that briefing.

  No, Schroeder was not a director of the Watch Tower Society of PA, the Watchtower of NY, Watch Tower of Britain, the Christian Congregation. I do not have the links but names of directors have been made public on this board and likely are on Randy's site.

  If some obscure press release calls him a director of information relating to international JW interests or the like, it means just that and nothing more.

  I say again you can verify this by one phone call and so can anyone who reads this.

  This is my final word.

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  Re: Judah Ben Schroeder

  by sf in

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  i pulled this out of the "berry case evaluated" thread so my questions would not be overlooked:.

  i just want to make sure i fully understand, as stated here as fact, that judah schroeder was never, is or ever will be, in any way, shape or form, a "representative" or "director" for any part of the wtbts; no matter what corporate name you call them.. what has he done and/ or what were his "duties"?.

  please, a history of the man, if you will.. in appreciation, skally

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  : Joining Mr. Shishlov at the briefing

  "Briefing." That's correct as I've noted before. Part of his Public Relations job.

  Now finished, Kaput.

  The suggestion was given before to check this out by a simple telephone call.

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  Dateline Program - WHEN?

  by troubled in

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  just wondering if anybody knows when the dateline program will air.

  any set date yet?

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  GodRules, have a physician ready to attend to you when you see Dateline.

  Rather than bring up the thread, here is information I know to be still authentic.
  From Maximus on the Tally thread:

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  The producer of NBC's Dateline and I had a conversation this morning and this very issue was discussed. Everyone involved hopes speculation will cool, but human nature suggests it may not. A few authoritative points:

  The program is rock solid, it will air; the date has not yet been determined. It is not yet in final form but shortly will be. You may reasonably conclude that the presentation will be adequate in length to cover very complex issues.

  There is nothing any outside influence can do to change this, nor can it be shaped from without. A highly skilled professional, the producer frankly states some may be disappointed if they are expecting merely a vehicle for cult-bashing or dissidence per se.

  It will be a very honest and careful presentation that will in my opinion have "legs," especially in view of the issues now capturing the attention of the American public; e.g., ecclesiastical privilege, judicial processes, some of the things discussed on this board. It may very well be an enormous catalyst for significant change.

  To lighten up a bit, someone said it's been like grass: eventually it becomes milk. For some, this has been an intense labor of love for many, many years. You will be most captivated by the Dateline story's very human aspects. It is not the end, but a beginning.

  My warmest, Tally,
  Maximus
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  Hope this helps.

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  Re: Judah Ben Schroeder

  by sf in

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  i pulled this out of the "berry case evaluated" thread so my questions would not be overlooked:.

  i just want to make sure i fully understand, as stated here as fact, that judah schroeder was never, is or ever will be, in any way, shape or form, a "representative" or "director" for any part of the wtbts; no matter what corporate name you call them.. what has he done and/ or what were his "duties"?.

  please, a history of the man, if you will.. in appreciation, skally

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  Hi sKally,

  I hope some idiot does not now claim Judah Ben Schroeder is gay. He has a lovely wife, but since when would that prevent some scoundrel like Mishna from making a slur against his fine reputation.

  Judah Ben is the son of Albert D. Schroeder, who was the registrar of Gilead School for a very long time and is today a very aged and frail member of the Governing Body. There are many on this board who know Bert Schroeder including AlanF, Maximus, myself and at least a few others. As Alan said, there are many of us who know MANY at Bethel, which means absolutely nothing.

  Judah Ben was in the former Public Affairs office (public relations) and his name appeared on some press releases relating to Public Affairs director Gillies of the British branch and other international press releases. His name and phone number (Public Affairs office) was given to the press. The department was then headed by James Pellechia. He was never over the international work, as was claimed. This Schroeder was never a director, not a director today, nor a likely future director of any of the many corporate bodies out there.

  Both Pellechia and Schroeder were moved to other departments, and J. R. Brown was brought in. Schroeder has not held any position such as was claimed on the thread you mention. Alan and Max have given correct information.

  It was rumored that Bert Schroeder was called on the carpet by other GB members for saying in a talk that "the grandchildren of some of you" in the audience could see the new earth. Please note, that is just rumor, but would be indicative that Schroeder has no special clout.

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  Russell as "That Servant"; Re: Dunsscot

  by AlanF in

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  since dunsscot claims he's leaving this board, and in answer to my specific request for a committment to answer all replies i might give to his latest replies to my previous dissections of his nonsense he said that he would not, i won't be giving a detailed reply to him.. however, dunsscot's posts contain a number of statements that prove how easily the watchtower society fools the jw community by lying to it, either outright or in so many words.. in this post we will examine a fiction that the society has managed to get poor people like dunsscot to believe with respect to c. t. russell, namely, that russell never claimed that he was "the faithful and wise servant" of matthew 24:45. the simple truth is that russell did indeed believe it.

  the fact that he did was printed in the watch tower, and the society itself taught it until about 1927.. let's first look at the context of dunsscot's denial of this important bible student teaching.

  in the set of exchanges below, the reader can see that dunsscot is attempting to deny that jw leaders claim to be god's exclusive earthy spokesmen.

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  : The magazines have never claimed to be infallible.

  That's the biggest laugh you've given us so far. Of course they have not so claimed. Neither does the Governing Body. Yet they expect and demand to be treated that way.

  Try deviating from their teaching publicly ever so slightly. You will be disfellowshipped in the blink of an eye, or if you manage a spirited defense they will declare you have disassociated yourself by your profession of beliefs. I suspect you know that all too well.

  May you never find yourself in the back of a darkened Kingdom Hall facing illiterate but nonetheless appointed-by-Jehovah's-spirit elders, who ask you if you truly believe the men on the Governing Body are God's instrument, his Channel of truth.

  This whole QED thing clearly started as a posit that there should NOT be quibbling over words, rather Maximus asked you to provide the substance of what YOU believe, not the quotations of others. The way you have gone about beating and stamping this silly whose-point-of-view into the ground just shows you want to obfuscate, not to arrive at truth.

  Not different from the Society whom you embrace and for whom you apologize so ineffectually.

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