Russell as "That Servant"; Re: Dunsscot

by AlanF 82 Replies latest jw friends

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Since Dunsscot claims he's leaving this board, and in answer to my specific request for a committment to answer all replies I might give to his latest replies to my previous dissections of his nonsense he said that he would not, I won't be giving a detailed reply to him.

    However, Dunsscot's posts contain a number of statements that prove how easily the Watchtower Society fools the JW community by lying to it, either outright or in so many words.

    In this post we will examine a fiction that the Society has managed to get poor people like Dunsscot to believe with respect to C. T. Russell, namely, that Russell never claimed that he was "the faithful and wise servant" of Matthew 24:45. The simple truth is that Russell did indeed believe it. The fact that he did was printed in The Watch Tower, and the Society itself taught it until about 1927.

    Let's first look at the context of Dunsscot's denial of this important Bible Student teaching. In the set of exchanges below, the reader can see that Dunsscot is attempting to deny that JW leaders claim to be God's exclusive earthy spokesmen. The first comments are mine:

    :::: ... JW leaders claim to be in their positions not because of a promise made to one of their ancestors, but because JW (more properly, Bible Student) leaders from roughly 1880 to 1919 were so superior in every important way to other Christians that God selected them as his special earthly spokesmen.

    ::: I do not think that your statement aptly describes the attitude of JW leadership. The Proclaimers book shows that other groups had a measure of the truth besides the Bible Students. But Russell thought that JWs were able to piece more of the biblical puzzle together through God's spirit. Russell and other men at that time believed that God's favor shone on them because of the scriptural understanding they had acquired. However, Russell was not haughty about the gems of truth available to the Bible Students at that time.

    :: Of course he was. Would you like me to produce reams of documentation to prove it? He called himself "God's mouthpiece". He taught that anyone who failed to read his books would, within two years, "go off into darkness". If I told you, dunsscot, that I was God's mouthpiece and that if you didn't study and apply my writings every day you'd go off into darkness in short order, you'd rightly claim that I was haughty. You display a double standard here.

    : Calling oneself "God's mouthpiece" does not mean one is necessarily haughty. Of course, I would expect documentation for such a claim and for the statement concerning Russell's books. One or two pieces of evidence will do. But the historical evidence shows that Russell was a humble brother. Please note the following information. Quoting Russell, the Kingdom Has Approached book noted:

    How anyone can claim that "calling oneself 'God's mouthpiece' does not mean one is necessarily haughty" is beyond me. Below I will provide some documentation for my claims and further links to "reams of documentation".

    With regard to the above, Dunsscot failed to do his homework. Based on that failure he claimed, in the post "Re: TO DUNSSCOT Aug 11, 2001 10:28:37 AM", that I had "twisted Russell's words". We will soon see that he bases this claim on his having bought into the Society's lies.

    Here is one quotation from Watchtower literature (the 1973 book God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached) that Dunsscot set forth to 'prove' that Russell was humble, and more importantly, that he never claimed to be "the faithful and wise servant":

    *** ka 345-6 17 The "Slave" Who Lived to See the "Sign" ***
    ... Watch Tower issue of November, 1881, page 5. In the fourth- and fifth-last paragraphs of the article "In the Vineyard," he {Russell} said:

    We believe that every member of this body of Christ is engaged in the blessed work, either directly or indirectly, of giving meat in due season to the household of faith. "Who then is that faithful and wise servant whom his Lord hath made ruler over his household," to give them meat in due season? Is it not that "little flock" of consecrated servants who are faithfully carrying out their consecration vows-the body of Christ-and is not the whole body individually and collectively, giving the meat in due season to the household of faith-the great company of believers?

    Blessed is that servant (the whole body of Christ) whom his Lord when he has come (Gr. elthon) shall find so doing. "Verily, I say unto you, that he shall make him ruler over all his goods." "He shall inherit all things."

    31 From this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of Zion's Watch Tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that "faithful and wise servant." He never did claim to be such.* However, he did continue to edit the Watch Tower magazine down to the day of his death on October 31, 1916.

    So in 1881, Russell believed that "that servant" was really "the church", that small group of Christians who were 'takng the lead' in teaching other Christians. However, any serious student of the history of the Watchtower Society knows that the bolded statement in the above-quoted paragraph 31 is a bald-faced lie. In 1895 Russell's wife Maria convinced Charles that he was indeed "that servant" and he included thinly veiled references to himself as "that servant" in subsequent issues of Zion's Watch Tower. He never explicitly claimed such in printed publications but in private conversation the Society itself documents that he did (see below for references). For a lot more detail on this, see James Penton's Apocolypse Delayed (2nd edition, pp. 33-35).

    A little research shows that the above-quoted book contains a second lie. The 2nd statement in paragraph 31 contains a footnote, which says:

    See the book The Battle of Armageddon, published in 1897, page 613, under the heading "Dispensing of Food to the Household.-Matt. 24:45-51; Luke 12:42-46."

    But Russell's 1897 book actually says this concerning "the faithful and wise servant" (p. 613, 1916 edition):

    The intimation here seems to be, that at the particular time indicated by the prophecy, -- namely, during the Lord's presence {which Russell taught began in 1874; original is bolded}, and at the time of the gathering of the elect {which Russell taught began between 1844 and 1874} -- our Lord, the great Servant of his people, will make choice of one channel {original is bolded} for dispensing the meat in due season, though other channels or "fellow servants" will be used in bringing the food to the "household." But the servant is merely a steward, and liable to be removed at any moment, should he fail to fully and duly acknowledge in every particular, the Master... Faithfulness on the part of said steward (both to the "Master" and to "his fellow-servants" and "the household") will be rewarded by his continuance as steward; -- so long as he serves faithfully, he may continue, and may serve the household ... But if unfaithful he will be deposed entirely and put into outer darkness, while presumably another would take the place, subject to the same conditions.

    Obviously at that time, Russell was teaching quite the opposite from what he taught in 1881, namely, that the "faithful and wise servant" is a person and not a group within the Christian church.

    The fact that C. T. Russell came to believe that he personally was the "faithful and wise servant" or the "faithful and discreet slave" is proved by a number of direct statements in Watchtower literature.

    From The Watch Tower, December 1, 1916 (p. 5998 Reprints):

    It is here interesting to note that Jesus said, "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his Lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his Lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing! Verily, I say unto you that he shall make him ruler over all his goods." Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of "that faithful and wise servant," and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation.

    From The Finished Mystery, Studies in the Scriptures, Series VII, "75,000 Edition", 1917, p. 4:

    In 1879 Charles Taze Russell began the publication of THE WATCH TOWER, of which he was the sole editor as long as he remained on earth. THE WATCH TOWER was, and is, the first and only journal declaring the presence of the Lord Jesus. Pastor Russell being the messenger to the Laodicean Church, and occupying the position of the Lord's special servant to give the Household of Faith meat in due season, it was to be expected that he would bring forth from the Lord's great "Storehouse" the needed spiritual food for the Church, in harmony with God's will. By the Lord's grace he wrote the six volumes of STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES, which writings, aside from the Bible, have gladdened more hearts and thrilled Christians with greater hope and joyful expectation than have any other writings extant. These books have been properly designated "Keys to the Divine Plan of the Ages."

    From The Watch Tower, March 1, 1922:

    p. 70:
    "NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND"
    ... It will be disputed by some even who have come to a knowledge of present truth, that Brother Russell occupied any more peculiar relationship to the Lord than any other servant of follower of Jesus. In him we find another example of one who applied his heart to wisdom.

    What was his peculiar relationship to the Lord, and why was and still is he the special target of the adversary? Let us examine the evidence here upon these points.

    pp. 72-74:
    THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND
    ...

    Jesus plainly said that during the time of his presence he would have a faithful and wise servant whom he would use to give meat to the household (of faith) in due season. Every one today who has a knowledge of the divine plan of the ages must truthfully answer that he derived that knowledge from studying his Bible in connection with what Brother Russell wrote; that before such time he did not even know that God had a plan of salvation. Every person who today is rejoicing in the light of the truth of God's Word realizes that the Lord brought to him that truth, unfolding it through the ministrations and work begun by Brother Russell shortly following the presence of the Lord.

    Was he a servant of the Lord? No one who knew him and who tells the truth can deny the fact that he was a servant, because he gave his time over to service. He devoted all of his earthly possessions that others might gain a knowledge of God's plan. He devoted his life from the time of his early manhood until his death in going throughout the earth serving others in the name of the Lord.

    A FAITHFUL AND WISE SERVANT
    Was he faithful? This question must be answered in the affirmative...

    WISE TOWARD GOD
    ...

    The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799; that the Lord's second presence began in 1874; that the harvest followed thereafter and greater light has come upon the Word of God. In this connection, then, let us note the words of Jesus: "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing." (Matthew 24:45, 46) It must be conceded, then, that at the end of the world, at the "time of the end", during the presence of the Lord, during the harvest, he would have in the earth a servant who would be faithful and wise. The physical facts show that Brother Russell met every one of these requirements. This prophetic utterance, then, has been fulfilled. Therefore fulfilled prophecy, or physical facts, and the circumstantial evidence are conclusive proofs that Brother Russell filled the office of that faithful and wise servant. He applied his heart unto wisdom.

    Note that the arguments presented in the above quote are virtually identical to those that Russell presented in his 1897 book.

    From The Watch Tower, May 1, 1922 (pp. 131-132):

    AMBITION'S FRUITAGE
    Ever and anon there arises some one who has been following the Lord, for a time at least, who possesses a measure of beauty of mind and character, and possibly of person---one who takes himself too seriously. He succeeds in convincing himself that the Lord has appointed him to look after things divine and to lead God's people out of the wilderness. As he goes on in this way, he becomes convinced in his own mind that the Lord made a mistake in selecting Brother Russell as that servant; and this doubt leads to the conclusion later on that Brother Russell was not "that servant" at all. He begins to doubt what Brother Russell wrote, and so expresses himself. Now he disregards the Lord's Word, which says: "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths."

    Thus disregarding this admonition, and being led on by the subtle influence of the adversary, he convinces himself that it is his solemn duty to undo all the things that Brother Russell taught and to turn the church's vision in the right way. He prepares a manuscript and charts in support of same, setting forth his views. Submitting it to others and being advised that his thoughts are wrong, he construes this to mean a desire to prevent him from permitting his light to shine, and disregards such advice. So thoroughly is he impressed that he must thus teach the people and undo that which has been taught, that he begins the publication of his thoughts and to send these forth to the consecrated. His arguments seem plausible to those who make only a superficial examination, and especially to those who have forgotten what they were taught. Doubt arises in the minds of some who thus read. Now the test is on...

    FAITHFULNESS IS LOYALTY
    To be faithful means to be loyal. To be loyal to the Lord means to be obedient to the Lord. To abandon or repudiate the Lord's chosen instrument means to abandon or repudiate the Lord himself, upon the principle that he who rejects the servant sent by the Master thereby rejects the Master.

    There is no one in present truth today who can honestly say that he received a knowledge of the divine plan from any source other than by the ministry of Brother Russell, either directly or indirectly. Through his prophet Ezekiel Jehovah forshadowed the office of a servant, designating him as one clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side, who was delegated to go throughout the city (Christendom) and comfort those that sighed by enlightening their minds relative to God's great plan. Be it noted that this was a favor bestowed not by man, but by the Lord himself. But in keeping with the Lord's arrangement he used a man. The man who filled that office, by the Lord's grace, was Brother Russell.

    Jesus clearly indicated that during his second presence he would have amongst the church a faithful and wise servant, through whom he would give to the household of faith meat in due season. The evidence is overwhelming concerning the Lord's second presence, the time of the harvest, and that the office of "that servant" has been filled by Brother Russell. This is not man-worship by any means. It matters not who Charles T. Russell was--whether he was a doctor, a hod-carrier or a seller of shirts. St. Peter was a fisherman; St. Paul a lawyer. But these matters are immaterial. Above all, these men were the chosen vessels of the Lord. Regardless of his earthly avocation, above all, Brother Russell was the Lord's servant. Then to repudiate him and his works is equivalent to a repudiation of the Lord, upon the principle heretofore announced.

    That last statement has evolved so as to become today's Fundamental Doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    From The Watch Tower, March 1, 1923 (pp. 67-69):

    HIS SECOND COMING
    The fact of our Lord's second coming is definitely settled by the Scriptures. (John 14:2, 3; Acts 1:11; 2 Timothy 4:8) The Scriptures show that his second presence was due in 1874. (See C83-127.) Also it is definitely settled by his own words, that at the time of his second presence he would gird himself, cause his servants to sit down to meat, and would come forth and serve them. (Luke 12:37) He also firmly establishes the fact that during his presence he would conduct a harvest work (Matthew 13:18-40; 24:31); and with equal force he states that at that time he would appoint some one to the office of that "faithful and wise servant" and make him ruler over all his goods. (Matthew 24:45-47) These points are incontrovertible; therefore must be considered by all reasonable and fair-minded Christians as conclusively settled.

    By proof is meant the physical facts in fulfilment of prophetic utterances by the Lord or some of his inspired witnesses. This proof shows that the Lord has been present since 1874, and that he has been conducting and is still conducting a harvest work; and that this harvest work has gathered together from every creed and denomination, and from the four quarters of the earth, as well as from all the ecclesiastical systems, those who really love the Lord. It must be conceded, then, that this work of the Lord is done in an orderly way. He could do it in no other way except in an orderly way. If it is conceded that he began his work in an orderly way, the burden of proof is on the objectors to show that he would afterward change his course and do that work in a disorderly way. The presumption must be indulged that he would continue it in an orderly way, even to a completion.

    In connection with his presence and the harvest work, the office of that "faithful and wise servant" is important, and is made so by the Lord himself. The one who fills that office is made ruler over all the Lord's goods during the time of his incumbency in office. The office of that "faithful and wise servant" therefore is a part of the orderly manner in which the Lord carries on his work during his second presence. The office is of far greater importance than the individual who fills the office; for if the officer placed in the office should fail to fill it properly, the office would still exist, and the Lord could easily appoint or assign some one else to fill that office.

    We believe that all who are now rejoicing in present truth will concede that Brother Russell faithfully filled the office of special servant of the Lord; and that he was made ruler over all the Lord's goods.

    The above teaching about Russell is crystal clear. The quoted Watch Tower article then goes on to explain exactly what Russell meant in earlier Watch Tower articles when he referred to one individual as being "that servant". This proves exactly what the Watchtower Society was teaching and caused Bible Students to believe up until 1927. It proves that today's statements by the Society that indicate that Russell did not teach that he was "that servant" are pure historical revisionism -- bold-faced lies. The article continues:

    Discussing this question of "that servant" himself in THE WATCH TOWER (April 15, 1904), Brother Russell said:

    " `Who then is the faithful and wise steward whom his Lord shall set over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season?' The implication seems to be that when the right time should come for understanding the parable, it would be clearly set forth: that at the time of the parable's fulfilment the Lord would appoint a servant in the household to bring these matters to the attention of all the servants, and that certain responsibilities would rest upon such a one respecting the dispatch of his duties. If faithfully performed, a great blessing would be his reward; and if unfaithful to his charge, severe penalties would be inflicted. The implication would be also that if faithful the servant would be continued in his service, and if unfaithful he would be dismissed and another take the position and its responsiblities.

    ". . . there would be no violation of principle, however, in supposing that the Lord at the time indicated would specially use one member of his church as the channel or instrument through which he would send the appropriate messages, spiritual nourishment appropriate at that time; because at various times in the past the Lord has used individuals in such a manner."--WATCH TOWER REPRINTS, pages 3355, 3356.

    If Brother Russell filled that office, then it must be conceded that he did so under the supervision of the Lord. "The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord." (Psalm 37:23) Acting under the supervision of the Lord, Brother Russell organized the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society. In expressing his reason why the Society was organized, he said:

    "It seems tolerably certain that some of the saints will be in the flesh during a great part at least of the `time of trouble'; and if so, there will be need of printed matter, tracts, etc., as much then, perhaps, as now, and possibly will be more heeded; for when the judgments of the Lord are `in the earth the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.' (Isaiah 26:9) Should those at present prominently identified with the work {undoubtedly referring to himself} not be the LAST to be `changed,' some interruption of the work might result; but this may be obviated by having a legal standing, granted by a State Charter."--WATCH TOWER REPRINTS, page 671.

    I must point out that "page 671" from Watch Tower Reprints is from the October, 1884 issue. Thus, according to the Watchtower Society in 1923, Russell as early as 1884 was "undoubtedly referring to himself" as "that servant". The article continues:

    In modest phrase Brother Russell here clearly indicated that it was his thought that the Society, as organized in an orderly manner, would carry on the work begun by him and finish that which had been committed to him personally. Often when asked by others, Who is that faithful and wise servant?--Brother Russell would reply: "Some say I am; while others say the Society is." Both statements were true; for Brother Russell was in fact the Society in a most absolute sense, in this, that he directed the policy and course of the Society without regard to any other person on earth. He sometimes sought advice of others connected with the Society, listened to their suggestions, and then did according to his own judgment, believing that the Lord would have him thus do.

    Since Brother Russell's "change" some who believe that he filled the office of "that servant" have said that the Lord has cast off the Society. Is such a conclusion either reasonable or Scriptural? Brother Russell's own thought was that the Society would continue to do the Lord's work as above indicated. Besides, if the Lord was pleased to have this organization started originally for his purposes, why should he cast it off? Why not continue to direct the servants therein according to his own will or supply other servants? Such is the reasonable conclusion.

    Do not the facts prove beyond a doubt that the Lord has been doing some harvest work during the past six years and since the death of Brother Russell? During that time have not many been gathered to the Lord, even out from the world, and have manifested every evidence of acceptance with the Lord? If the Lord, then, has been doing a work and is still doing it, is it reasonable to conclude that he is doing it in an orderly manner? If the Society is not being used to fulfil the office in carrying out the work, then who is? Can any of the murmurers or objectors point to another arrangement the Lord has in which he is carrying out his work? If any of them know of any other arrangement, let them come forward and name it. If there is any such other arrangement that the Lord has, all the saints will want to be in harmony with it and serve in the Lord's way, and not man's way.

    WHAT CONSTITUTES THE SOCIETY?
    The word Society as used herein is a generic term applied to the body of consecrated, anointed Christians throughout the world engaged in the work of representing the King and the King's interests on earth. It is an organization for the purpose of doing the Lord's work in an orderly way. This organization has its officers, elected in an orderly manner. The officers are not the Society, but are servants of the Society. Should every individual now in the Society prove disloyal, the Lord could put others into their places, and still the Society would exist and continue his work. Let us be wise enough to make the distinction between office and individual. All the individual members of the Society may make mistakes, being imperfect, but that would not mean that the Lord would cast off his organization and go about doing his work in a disorganized manner.

    If it is seen, then, that the Lord is conducting his work through his followers organized into a body for that purpose, and doing it in an orderly way, then all saints should wish to abide together in harmony and work together in harmony, following peace and holiness, having their hearts and minds united together in love; and in no other way could they get on. (Hebrews 12:14; Colossians 2:1-3, Diaglott) Each one, then, who represents the Lord should be looking out well for the interests of the King and his kingdom. Each one who possesses the spirit of the Lord will be glad to leave all judgment of his brother to the Lord, and to follow the admonition given by the Scriptures to cover the defects of his brother with the mantle of love. He will keep in mind that every servant must make his accounting to the Lord and not to any other body member.

    For the following, see also the Proclaimers book, page 143.

    In the February 15, 1927 Watch Tower article "Servant--God and Evil" the Society reconsidered Matthew 24:45, 46 and then repudiated its earlier view of C. T. Russell; he was no longer "the faithful and wise servant". After a good deal of discussion the article concluded (pp. 55-57):

    Jesus said that he would make them {the `faithful ones'} `ruler over all his goods'. To rule, as stated here, means to be appointed as a convoy or guard or escort. It would mean then that those faithful ones are designated by the Lord to look after his kingdom interests on the earth. Now let each one answer the question for his own satisfaction: Who on earth are now earnestly and zealously looking after the kingdom interests by proclaiming the day of God's vengeance, holding up the standard for the people, testifying that Jehovah is God, and declaring that the kingdom of heaven is at hand? All who answer truly must admit that there is but one small body of Christian people on earth, and that these are working harmoniously together to this end, and that there is none other so doing. The same class of Christians collectively are feeding each other upon the Word of God, and are diligently endeavoring to feed the prisoners who are also of the household of faith.

    There seems to be no ground, within the meaning of the Scriptures, for concluding that "the faithful and wise servant" refers to any individual person, but does have reference to the feet members of Christ on earth--those who are blind to everything except to the will of the Lord, and who are harmoniously lifting up their voices together in declaring his message of the kingdom...

    What is here said is no reflection on anything that has heretofore been written. Some have claimed that the scripture, "The faithful and wise servant," specifically applies to Brother Russell. He never made that claim himself. That Brother Russell was greatly used of the Lord no one can doubt who knew him. That the Lord used him more wonderfully than any one on earth since St. Paul's day there can be no doubt. But that does not at all affect the explanation of this scripture. It is clearly manifest from the scriptures hereinbefore cited that the elect Servant of God is Christ, Jesus the Head and his body members; and that Christ Jesus speaks of these faithful members as a part of himself.

    To say that "that faithful and wise servant" specifically applies to one individual and to none other would imply that a large proportion of the body members of Christ could not be classed either as faithful or wise. That would be doing violence to the scripture. It is only the wise and faithful that God has promised shall be preserved in this time of stress. "O love the Lord, all ye his saints: for the Lord preserveth the faithful."--Psalm 31:23...

    Furthermore, if the coming mentioned in the above text refers to the Lord's coming to his temple, and the text applies after he comes to his temple, it is manifest that this scripture could not be understod prior to 1918. The Lord does not interpret his Word in advance...

    With these physical facts with which we are all familiar now in mind, let us read this scripture and answer the question: "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?" (Matthew 24:45) The answer to this is, Those found faithful when the Lord comes to his temple. The goods of the Lord are all his interests. The Lord has made this faithful and wise class ruler over all his goods, or kingdom interests, on earth. Continued faithfulness unto death is required of each one who remains in this wise and faithful Servant class.

    By this time readers will have noted that the last bolded statement in the above quote is a bald-faced lie, that Russell "never made that claim himself" about being "that servant". Remember that the December 1, 1916 Watch Tower, stated clearly that "he admitted as much in private conversation". So beginning in 1927, the Watch Tower Society began lying about Charles Taze Russell's beliefs and teachings. It continues through today.

    That the Society's deception continues today is proved by the fact that even our learned scholar Dunsscot has been deceived. Note how he quotes the Proclaimers book to 'prove' that Russell was a humble man and never claimed to be "that servant":

    From the Proclaimers book, we also read:

    *** jv 120 10 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth ***
    He {Russell} mentioned by name older men such as Jonas Wendell, George Stetson, George Storrs, and Nelson Barbour, who personally contributed to his understanding of God's Word in various ways. He also stated: "Various doctrines we hold and which seem so new and fresh and different were held in some form long ago: for instance-Election, Free Grace, Restitution, Justification, Sanctification, Glorification, Resurrection." It was often the case, however, that one religious group was distinguished by a clearer understanding of one Bible truth; another group, by a different truth. Their further progress was frequently hindered because they were shackled to doctrines and creeds that embodied beliefs that had flourished in ancient Babylon and Egypt or that were borrowed from Greek philosophers.

    *** jv 49 5 Proclaiming the Lord's Return (1870-1914) ***
    Then how did Russell perceive the role that he and his associates played in publishing Scriptural truth? He explained: "Our work . . . has been to bring together these long scattered fragments of truth and present them to the Lord's people-not as new, not as our own, but as the Lord's. . . . We must disclaim any credit even for the finding and rearrangement of the jewels of truth." He further stated: "The work in which the Lord has been pleased to use our humble talents has been less a work of origination than of reconstruction, adjustment, harmonization."

    Russell thus was quite modest about his accomplishments. Nevertheless, the "scattered fragments of truth" that he brought together and presented to the Lord's people were free of the God-dishonoring pagan doctrines of the Trinity and immortality of the soul, which had become entrenched in the churches of Christendom as a result of the great apostasy. Like no one at that time, Russell and his associates proclaimed worldwide the meaning of the Lord's return and of the divine purpose and what it involved.

    DUNS: Pastor Russell was a humble servant of YHWH. Quod erat demonstrandum.

    We may note that when the Society quotes its early literature we often have something akin to Richard Nixon's claiming that politicians never lie. Clearly, our learned Dunsscot is into believing the Nixons of the world.

    As for Russell being modest about his accomplishments, he was no more modest than is today's Governing Body when they declare that they themselves are "faithful" and are "wise servants" of God. Any imperfect man who declares himself "faithful and wise" is far from humble. When he does it in connection with making interpretations of the Bible, and applying to himself, and when every interpretation he has ever made has uttely failed, then he has proved himself arrogant, and the opposite of "faithful and wise".

    The reader can see some of Russell's statements about his own virtual infallibility by going to the website "Research on the Watchtower" ( http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/end2.htm#russell ) and reading part of the article "The WTS and the End of the World". Click on "Part 2: The Orwellian Thinking of JWs", then on "C. T. Russell’s View of Himself". A lot more material proving that Russell viewed himself as practically infallible can be dug up.

    Conclusion: Russell was an arrogant pseudo-servant of YHWH. Quod erat demonstratum.

    I find it both distressing and entertaining that someone like Dunsscot, who proclaims himself a JW intellectual, can be so deceived. How much easier is it then, for JW leaders to deceive the rank & file, who have no such pretensions about themselves?

    AlanF

  • dunsscot
    dunsscot

    :Conclusion: Russell was an arrogant pseudo-servant of YHWH. Quod erat demonstratum.:

    I think that should be "Quod erat demonstrandum."

    Duns the Scot

    "Nobody is taller than himself or herself."

  • JT
    JT

    THIS IS why i love jw like DUN

    i shoot this email this PM to 3 NONJW i know who enjoy collecting info to show thier jw family members-

    here we have a dude who just read thru a ton of documentation and all he could do in his reply is find a word mispell- no comment whatsoever on the material presented

    like i keep telling you guys

    "If we tried to make this stuff up on jw we could never come up with the stuff as good as they do by themseleves"

    yes the rank and file jw follows the example of the wt so well

    their "PAPER TRAIL" continues to speak for itself

    james

  • Fredhall
    Fredhall

    AlanF,

    Since Dunsscot is a JW intellectual, then this would make you a dumb-ass. LOL!!!!!

  • dunsscot
    dunsscot

    :I find it both distressing and entertaining that someone like Dunsscot, who proclaims himself a JW intellectual, can be so deceived. How much easier is it then, for JW leaders to deceive the rank & file, who have no such pretensions about themselves?:

    I find it amazing how someone can type so many words and say nothing. Not one thing you typed PROVES (apodictically or otherwise) that Brother Russell called himself: "God's mouthpiece." That was your original contention, AF. Are did you want us to miss the wood for all the trees you planted in that last submission? Nevertheless, I will visit the website that supposedly shows Russell's claims of infallibility. But you still have to show where Brother Russell ever called himself God's mouthpiece or the faithful and discreet slave. Even if he did call himself "God's mouthpiece," it does not mean that he was haughty. But of course you have not proven that which was to be demonstrated in the first place.

    Duns the Scot

    "Nobody is taller than himself or herself."

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    For Dummy the Scot:

    First let's have a little lighthearted fun with Dummy:

    :: Conclusion: Russell was an arrogant pseudo-servant of YHWH. Quod erat demonstratum.:

    : I think that should be "Quod erat demonstrandum."

    Wrong. You were already corrected on this by Maximus. It appears that you suffer from a severe learning disability.

    You also appear to think that pointing out a possible small error in Latin grammar amounts to a refutation of a mass of solid quotations. But you learned that sucking at Mommy's tits, didn't you.

    This is a fine example of how JW defenders will often focus on tiny perceived errors in their opponents' arguments, and ignore the important points. They often even manage to get their own arguments completely screwed up in the process of scrabbling for a defense. The following is an interesting example:

    In my earliest post to Dummy, I said:

    << Having read your responses to a number of people, dunsscot, (with the exception of responses to myself and Farkel, who it is obvious you're afraid to deal with) it has become evident that you're little more than a moron with a college degree in philosophy. Unfortunately, while you use much esoteric jargon and seem to understand it, you don't understand a more fundamental truth: if you use opaque jargon on the uninitiated, you don't really understand what you think you're talking about. >>

    In the post "Re: TO DUNSSCOT Aug 11, 2001 10:37:38 AM" Dummy replied to another poster:

    << : I, for one, find Alan's writings to be clear, well-reasoned, and accurate.

    AF is admittedly an intelligent man. I will give him that. He can write in a clear fashion as well. But most of his reasoning is not clear and he evidently does not comprehend either Standard or non-standard English too well. But we cannot excel in every field, can we? :-) Furthermore, methinks that in this case, accuracy is in the eye of the beholder. If you think his handling of the 3/15/90 WT material was accurate, there ism not really much that I can do for you. If you think he accurately represented Russell's comments earlier, then I goes Alvin C. Plantinga is correct when he writes about we infralapsarians being prone to noetic malfunction. >>

    Now, I could focus on minor typing errors like Dummy's writing "there ism not really..." or "then I goes Alvin...", but I won't. What I will point out is that Dummy's last sentence is complete gobble-de-gook. An "infralapsarian" is "a term applied in the 17th century to Calvinists holding the view that God's election of some to everlasting life was consequent to his prescience of the Fall of man, or that it contemplated man as already fallen, and was thus a remedial measure" (The Oxford English Dictionary). Since Dummy is a 21st-century Jehovah's Witness, he certainly is not a 17th-century Calvinist, and so when he says anything at all about "we infralapsarians" he's talking gibberish. Next note the completely screwed up logic in Dummy's last sentence (the phrase "noetic malfunction" is a pretentious way of saying "a breaking down of the mind"). He's attempting to show the other poster that my representation of Russell's comments was wrong, but instead of saying that, he says precisely the opposite, in effect, "If you think AlanF's right, then Plantinga was right in saying we 17th-century Calvinists are braindead." Good one, Dummy!

    On to more serious stuff:

    Dummy replied to me:

    :: I find it both distressing and entertaining that someone like Dunsscot, who proclaims himself a JW intellectual, can be so deceived. How much easier is it then, for JW leaders to deceive the rank & file, who have no such pretensions about themselves?:

    : I find it amazing how someone can type so many words and say nothing. Not one thing you typed PROVES (apodictically or otherwise) that Brother Russell called himself: "God's mouthpiece." That was your original contention, AF. Are did you want us to miss the wood for all the trees you planted in that last submission?

    No, Dummy, I are did not want you to miss any wood (please note that the expression is not about wood, but woods; you do know that there's a difference, I hope). In fact, I gave complete quotes of the discussion, enough for you not to have made such a stupid error as you did here. The point I made about Russell claiming to be "God's mouthpiece" was not something you challenged. Therefore it needed no justification. Had you challenged that particular claim, I would certainly have provided the documentation, as I do below. Let me point out just what sentences you have not understood, by bolding the appropriate ones in the material in my first post in this thread:

    :::: ... JW leaders claim to be in their positions not because of a promise made to one of their ancestors, but because JW (more properly, Bible Student) leaders from roughly 1880 to 1919 were so superior in every important way to other Christians that God selected them as his special earthly spokesmen.

    ::: I do not think that your statement aptly describes the attitude of JW leadership. The Proclaimers book shows that other groups had a measure of the truth besides the Bible Students. But Russell thought that JWs were able to piece more of the biblical puzzle together through God's spirit. Russell and other men at that time believed that God's favor shone on them because of the scriptural understanding they had acquired. However, Russell was not haughty about the gems of truth available to the Bible Students at that time.

    :: Of course he was. Would you like me to produce reams of documentation to prove it?

    Note the basic flow of thought here:

    Dummy: Russell wasn't haughty.
    AlanF: Sure he was. I can prove it with quotes.

    Then I expanded on my claim with further statements about Russell's teachings:

    :: He called himself "God's mouthpiece". He taught that anyone who failed to read his books would, within two years, "go off into darkness". If I told you, dunsscot, that I was God's mouthpiece and that if you didn't study and apply my writings every day you'd go off into darkness in short order, you'd rightly claim that I was haughty. You display a double standard here.

    : Calling oneself "God's mouthpiece" does not mean one is necessarily haughty. Of course, I would expect documentation for such a claim and for the statement concerning Russell's books. One or two pieces of evidence will do. But the historical evidence shows that Russell was a humble brother...

    Since I had made a statement about providing documentation proving that Russell was haughty, and Dummy asked me to produce it, that's exactly what I did. Dummy certainly did not ask for documentation about Russell's calling himself "God's mouthpiece", and so I did not feel it necessary to produce it. I did miss Dummy's request for documentation about "the statement concerning Russell's books", and for that I repent in dust and ashes. I atone for that sin below.

    So, Dummy, now that it has all been laid out before you in excruciating detail, can you argue that your statement:

    Not one thing you typed PROVES ... that Brother Russell called himself: "God's mouthpiece." That was your original contention, AF.

    has anything to do with what I stated or what you specifically asked me to produce? Of course not -- you're a dummy.

    I find it amazing how someone can read so many words and understand nothing. In view of Dummy's severe lack of understanding of simple English sentences, it is clear that most of his reasoning is poor, and he obviously does not comprehend either Standard or non-standard English well.

    : Nevertheless, I will visit the website that supposedly shows Russell's claims of infallibility.

    Replying to a matter again before you've heard it, eh? Don't you pay attention to the Bible's words about that? Don't you ever learn? Had you read the material I referenced on the Web, you'd have found the reference to "the statement concerning Russell's books". Nevertheless, I reproduce it below.

    : But you still have to show where Brother Russell ever called himself God's mouthpiece or the faithful and discreet slave. Even if he did call himself "God's mouthpiece," it does not mean that he was haughty. But of course you have not proven that which was to be demonstrated in the first place.

    The various statements in the quotes I have already provided prove that the Watchtower Society's leaders stated that Russell admitted in private to being "the faithful and wise servant". That Russell was "that slave" was officially stated Watchtower dogma from 1916 through 1927, and was clearly implied in Watchtower literature as far back as 1895, and according to the Society itself was implied as far back as 1883.

    The asked-for statements from Russell, and a lot more besides, can be found here: http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/end2.htm#basis which is in the article "The WTS and the End of the World" => "Part 2: The Orwellian Thinking of JWs" => "The Basis of Early False Predictions".

    Here is the statement where Russell claimed to be "God's mouthpiece", right off this website:

    In the July 15, 1906 Watch Tower, on page 229, Russell wrote:

    Many are the inquiries relative to the truths presented in MILLENNIAL DAWN and ZION'S WATCH TOWER, as to whence they came and how they developed to their present symmetrical and beautiful proportions - Were they the results of visions? Did God in any supernatural way grant the solution of these hitherto mysteries of his plan? Are the writers more than ordinary beings? Do they claim any supernatural wisdom or power? or how comes this revelation of God's truth?

    No, dear friends, I claim nothing of superiority, nor supernatural power, dignity or authority; nor do I aspire to exalt myself in the estimation of my brethren of the household of faith....

    No, the truths I present, as God's mouthpiece, were not revealed in visions or dreams nor by God's audible voice, nor all at once, but gradually, especially since 1870, and particularly since 1880. Neither is this clear unfolding of truth due to any human ingenuity or acuteness of perception, but to the simple fact that God's due time has come; and if I did not speak, and no other agent could be found, the very stones would cry out.

    Clearly Russell's arrogance knew no bounds. He, like the Watchtower Society today, wanted to have it both ways. He wanted his writings to be viewed as coming from God, because he, as "God's mouthpiece," was telling forth God's thoughts. On the other hand God did not directly "inspire" him, but in some mysterious and unspecified way "revealed" things to him. Today, hardly anyone making statements such as "I am God's mouthpiece" would be taken seriously.

    A number of times Russell clearly implied he could not possibly be wrong. Zion's Watch Tower, July 15, 1894, said on page 226, under the subtitle "Can It Be Delayed Until 1914?":

    Seventeen years ago people said, concerning the time features presented in MILLENIAL DAWN, They seem reasonable in many respects, but surely no such radical changes could occur between now and the close of 1914: if you had proved that they would come about in a century or two, it would seem much more probable....

    Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They say that they do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain.

    We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. We see no reason for changing from our opinion expressed in the view presented in the WATCH TOWER of January 15, '92. We advise that it be read again.

    The January 15, 1892 Watch Tower said on page 19:

    The Scriptures give unmistakable testimony to those who have full faith in its records, that there is a great time of trouble ahead of the present comparative calm in the world - a trouble which will embroil all nations, overthrow all existing institutions, civil, social and religious, bring about a universal reign of anarchy and terror, and prostrate humanity in the very dust of despair, thus to make them ready to appreciate the power that will bring order out of that confusion and institute the new rule of righteousness. All this, the Scriptures show us, is to come to pass before the year 1914 (See MILLENNIAL DAWN, Vol. II, Chapter IV.) - that is, within the next twenty-three years.

    If the scriptural testimony was "unmistakable," and if Russell was presenting "God’s dates," and he was "God’s mouthpiece," it can hardly be denied Russell was arrogantly dogmatic. What man of faith would doubt the words of "God’s mouthpiece"?

    Here is Russell's claim that anyone who failed to read his books would "go off into darkness" within two years:

    It was apparently this belief - that he had a special appointment from God - that led to virtually equating his own writings with the Bible itself. In the following material from the September 15, 1910 Watch Tower article "Is the Reading of 'Scripture Studies' Bible Study?", pages 298-9 (4684-5 Reprints), note the difficulty Russell had in maintaining humility. The article discussed the "plan of reading twelve pages of the STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES each day." It gave a rather mixed message about how the Bible ought to be viewed. Since Studies in the Scriptures pretty well covered everything the serious Bible student needed to know, it said that, while reading the Bible was important, and "the six volumes of SCRIPTURE STUDIES are not intended to supplant the Bible," nevertheless the volumes "are in such form that they, of themselves, contain the important elements of the Bible as well as the comments or elucidations of those bible statements."

    If the six volumes of SCRIPTURE STUDIES are practically the Bible topically arranged, with Bible proof-texts given, we might not improperly name the volumes - the Bible in an arranged form. That is to say, they are not merely comments on the bible, but they are practically the Bible itself, since there is no desire to build any doctrine or thought on any individual preference or on any individual wisdom, but to present the entire matter on the lines of the Word of God. We therefore think it safe to follow this kind of reading, this kind of instruction, this kind of Bible study.

    Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if anyone lays the SCRIPTURE STUDIES aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years - if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the SCRIPTURE STUDIES with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the Scriptures.

    So, Dummy, what do you have to say about Russell's "humility" now?

    AlanF

  • dunsscot
    dunsscot

    AF,

    Since the discussion board suffered some kind of malfunction yesterday, I got behind on some responses. But I wanted to address the first part of your post for now.

    :::First let's have a little lighthearted fun with Dummy:

    I hope you were just having fun. Otherwise, you have shown that you do not know what you are talking about once again.

    ::: Conclusion: Russell was an arrogant pseudo-servant of YHWH. Quod erat demonstratum.:

    :: I think that should be "Quod erat demonstrandum."

    :Wrong. You were already corrected on this by Maximus. It appears that you suffer from a severe learning disability.

    You also appear to think that pointing out a possible small error in Latin grammar amounts to a refutation of a mass of solid quotations. But you learned that sucking at Mommy's tits, didn't you.:

    If you cannot get a simple medieval Latin expression right, how can I trust you in other matters? Let us take care of this problem first. Besides a number of dictionaries and writers verifying my use of "Quod erat demonstrandum" (N.B. the gerundive), I found some handy sources on the web that I will now submit. From http://robin.hartshorne.net/QED.html:

    The flamboyant Oronce Fine (1544) uses no less than 24 different expressions to end the proofs of the 48 propositions of Book I. Among these, our
    quod erat demonstrandum with the gerundive expressing obligation or necessity, appears twice. Some of his other phrases are

    quod fuerat ostendendum

    quod faciendum susceperamus

    quod demonstrandum fuerat

    quod expediebat demonstrare

    quod demonstrare fuerat operaepretium

    quod faciendum proposueramus

    And:

    By the time of Clavius (3rd ed. 1591),
    quod erat faciendum, and

    quod erat demonstrandum
    have become predominant, still with other formulae mixed in, such as
    quod demonstrandum proponebatur.
    Isaac Barrow (1678; first published 1655) who introduced many symbols into his proofs, also introduced abbreviations of proof endings after the first occurrence, and limits himself to these four:
    quod erat faciendum (subsequently Q.E.F. )

    quod erat demonstrandum (Q.E.D.)

    quod fieri nequit (Q.F.N.)

    quod est absurdum (Q.E.A.).

    From another website ( http://forum.swarthmore.edu/dr.math/problems/morgan20.html), we read:

    Date: 9/21/95 at 9:57:26
    From: Doctor Sarah
    Subject: Re: math
    Q.E.D. : quod erat demonstrandum

    The origin of this expression is to be looked for in Euclidean geometry. The pattern of Euclid's demonstrations is usually: (a) the statement of an axiom (e.g. the sum of angles in any triangleis always 180 degrees); (b) a rational demonstration to corroborate this statement, and, finally,(c) a re-statement of the proposition enunciated in (a). In order to put a seal on his demonstration, Euclid finishes with the statement, "this was to be demonstrated." (Of course in Greek.)Medieval geometers habitually translated this as "quod erat demonstrandum" as a sign that they had proved what they had set out to prove. In the 17th century the Dutch Jewish rationalist philosopher, Benedictus de Spinoza (1632-1677), set out to write a treatise on ethics (_Ethica More Geometrico Demonstrata_) in which he proved various moral propositions in a geometric manner. Like Euclid, he wrote "quod erat demonstrandum," abbreviated Q.E.D., as a seal upon his proof of each ethical proposition.Thanks to Martin Ostwald, Professor Emeritus of Classics, Swarthmore College, for this answer.

    :In the post "Re: TO DUNSSCOT Aug 11, 2001 10:37:38 AM" Dummy replied to :
    another poster:

    << : I, for one, find Alan's writings to be clear, well-reasoned, and accurate.

    AF is admittedly an intelligent man. I will give him that. He can write in a clear fashion as well. But most of his reasoning is not clear and he evidently does not comprehend either Standard or non-standard English too well. But we cannot excel in every field, can we? :-) Furthermore, methinks that in this case, accuracy is in the eye of the beholder. If you think his handling of the 3/15/90 WT material was accurate, there ism not really much that I can do for you. If you think he accurately represented Russell's comments earlier, then I goes Alvin C. Plantinga is correct when he writes about we infralapsarians being prone to noetic malfunction. >>

    Now, I could focus on minor typing errors like Dummy's writing "there ism not really..." or "then I goes Alvin...", but I won't.:

    By all means, please do, AF. Continue with your apophatic statements.

    :What I will point out is that Dummy's last sentence is complete gobble-de-gook. An "infralapsarian" is "a term applied in the 17th century to Calvinists holding the view that God's election of some to everlasting life was consequent to his prescience of the Fall of man, or that it contemplated man as already fallen, and was thus a remedial measure" (The Oxford English Dictionary). Since Dummy is a 21st-century Jehovah's Witness, he certainly is not a 17th-century Calvinist, and so when he says anything at all about "we infralapsarians" he's talking gibberish.:

    This statement again shows your complete lack of GNWSIS in matters pertaining to anything outside your narrow field of Being (Dasein). Those involved in the study of English literature often use the term "infralapsarian" to delineate certain narratives and theologians in general use such terminology. It is no longer restricted to 17th century Calvinism.

    :Next note the completely screwed up logic in Dummy's last sentence (the phrase "noetic malfunction" is a pretentious way of saying "a breaking down of the mind"). He's attempting to show the other poster that my representation of Russell's comments was wrong, but instead of saying that, he says precisely the opposite, in effect, "If you think AlanF's right, then Plantinga was right in saying we 17th-century Calvinists are braindead." Good one, Dummy!:

    Methinks you need to read Plantinga's material, if you want to know what "noetic structure" or "noetic malfunction" really means. You certainly cannot play the child's games of looking up "noetic," then looking up "malfunction" and expect to know what you are talking about, AF. Noetic malfunction is a terminus technicus. Quod erat demonstrandum.

    Duns the Scot

    "Nobody is taller than himself or herself."

  • dunsscot
    dunsscot

    AF: Now, I could focus on minor typing errors like Dummy's writing "there ism not really..." or "then I goes Alvin...", but I won't. What I will point out is that Dummy's last sentence is complete gobble-de-gook. An "infralapsarian" is "a term applied in the 17th century to Calvinists holding the view that God's election of some to everlasting life was consequent to his prescience of the Fall of man, or that it contemplated man as already fallen, and was thus a remedial measure" (The Oxford English Dictionary).:

    An infralapsarian is not: "a term applied in the 17th century to Calvinists holding the view that God's election of some to everlasting life was consequent to his prescience of the Fall of man, or that it contemplated man as already fallen, and was thus a remedial measure."

    I thought I had made that point clear on this medium of communication before. You probably should have typed: "The word infralapsarian . . ." or "Infralapsarian is . . ."

    Just trying to help a buddy advance intellectually,
    Dan

    Duns the Scot

    "Nobody is taller than himself or herself."

  • Naeblis
    Naeblis

    To the casual observer it sure does seem like duns is concentrating on everything but the matter at hand. Interesting.

  • dunsscot
    dunsscot

    :To the casual observer it sure does seem like duns is concentrating on everything but the matter at hand. Interesting.:

    Remember Plato: There is a difference between being and seeming. I will try and get to the "matter at hand." But first, I have to correct AF's misconceptions about Latin grammar. He has called my knowledge of Latin into question and I simply will not have that. He has no idea what he is talking about in the field of language. He should stick to the math books instead. My time is limited this morning. Ergo, I must go. But I shall be back.

    Duns the Scot

    "Nobody is taller than himself or herself."

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