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  BUSH APPROVES FUNDING....

  by sf in

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  ...for cell research.. .

  bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhroflo.

  skally, comtemplating suicide klass(i'm doomed anyway, right?

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  Anchor

  News conference is at 9 PM EDT.

  -A
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  Watchtower PR Statement 8-7-01

  by silentlambs in

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  public affairs office.

  for immediate release august7, 2001 .

  sexual abuse of children is a terrible crime that can leave lasting emotional scars on its victims.

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  Anchor

  Then: "such persons are disfellowshipped (excommunicated) from the congregation"

  Now: "may be disfellowshipped"

  Further to my post above re "none should interfere":

  Translation: Society to elders, COs and DOs: Forget what we've suggested to you privately about protecting the organization and "Jehovah's good name," you are the dumb asses who will bear the burden, not we in our palace in Patterson and Brooklyn. We wash our hands of you.

  IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT! YOU CAUSED THE PROBLEM!

  -A
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  Watchtower PR Statement 8-7-01

  by silentlambs in

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  public affairs office.

  for immediate release august7, 2001 .

  sexual abuse of children is a terrible crime that can leave lasting emotional scars on its victims.

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  Now: "The victim or the victim’s family may also report the matter to the authorities. The[y] have an absolute right to report and none should interfere with this."

  Then: "Furthermore, we do not prohibit or discourage the victim or the victim's parents from reporting child abuse to the authorities even if the alleged perpetrator is one of Jehovah's Witnesses."

  THAT IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN PRACTICED THROUGH THE YEARS, IS IT!

  I note the terms "terrible crime" and language like "a complex and important societal concern." Looks like they have reached out to obtain outside legal counsel.

  -A
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  Society instructions to elders about child abuse

  by ozziepost in

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  2. child-abuse

  in view of current developments it may be useful to some who have come to the child abuse issue only recently to highlight the watchtower society's instructions to elders.. in a letter to boe dated november 1, 1995 they make the incriminating statement "it is important to first obtain the society's direction to protect both the elders and the organisation.

  incriminating?

  yes, for they show clearly what is most important to them.

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  : May I ask you, as an elder, how did you feel when you were writing them down?

  Er, actually I was the one instructing, had already done so in my copy. My mental state was exactly like OzziePost - how devious were those whose acts necessitated such clandestine precautions.

  As Max says, followers following followers following followers.

  -A
  A follower of man no more who will take up OP on his offer to write.
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  Society instructions to elders about child abuse

  by ozziepost in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in view of current developments it may be useful to some who have come to the child abuse issue only recently to highlight the watchtower society's instructions to elders.. in a letter to boe dated november 1, 1995 they make the incriminating statement "it is important to first obtain the society's direction to protect both the elders and the organisation.

  incriminating?

  yes, for they show clearly what is most important to them.

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  Anchor

  I almost got paranoid at your question, somebody. I thought, "Do I tell her I went to school in November or December of 1994? I'll tell her I went in November rather than December so they can't track me down." Sick, isn't it!!!

  Yes, this was read twice at the school and is handwritten in every blessed book in the world. We will likely soon know what if anything the new Flock book says. Its full contents have not leaked out yet.

  As to blame, did you read the choice comment from Mario Moreno, the Watchtower lawyer, who says elders "screw up?" They even say elders should avoid calling or talking to any traveling overseers because THESE "screw up" so often. That is sure to go over well with COs and DOs. You are right on the money, they care for nobody but themselves and will sacrifice anyone as fast as a lightning strike.

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  Blood and RANK dishonesty!

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  the thread started by maximus named gb admits it has no answers, blood ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=9056&site=3 ) is chock full of good information and is what this thread stems from.

  if you have not already read maximus thread, you should.

  i felt like adding my two cents about one aspect of that discussion.

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  Anchor

  By request of a newbie lurker.

  -A
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  Blood, The Watchtower and Deceit

  by Maximus in

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  while much attention is given to doctrine in sites such as this, very little is noted about the watchtower societys intellectual dishonesty in its publications, especially when it comes to quotations.. oftentimes the societys writers will cite a scholar or author of some repute: "professor blank observes that blah, blah, blah.

  " the reader assumes from the quotation that professor blank is in agreement with the organizations position, of course, and that the quotation chosen accurately depicts the authors thoughts.. heres the catch: the words between the quotation marks may be accurate, but the snippet may not at all faithfully represent someones actual thesis or position.

  much like a newspaper ad for a movie that quotes a reviewer as saying "monumental!

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  By request for someone who could not locate it.

  -A
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  Society instructions to elders about child abuse

  by ozziepost in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in view of current developments it may be useful to some who have come to the child abuse issue only recently to highlight the watchtower society's instructions to elders.. in a letter to boe dated november 1, 1995 they make the incriminating statement "it is important to first obtain the society's direction to protect both the elders and the organisation.

  incriminating?

  yes, for they show clearly what is most important to them.

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  Anchor

  I have it, you got it.

  In a day or so.

  -A
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  Society instructions to elders about child abuse

  by ozziepost in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in view of current developments it may be useful to some who have come to the child abuse issue only recently to highlight the watchtower society's instructions to elders.. in a letter to boe dated november 1, 1995 they make the incriminating statement "it is important to first obtain the society's direction to protect both the elders and the organisation.

  incriminating?

  yes, for they show clearly what is most important to them.

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  Anchor

  For years I have read these letters and hung on every word, the better to serve. Today I look back on them with complete disgust.

  The friends get blamed for lack of zeal, not being urgent about preaching.

  We are repeatedly told we don't study enough, pray enough, go in field service enough. We are told WE are the problem. Well the problem is clear to me, it is the preoccupation about organization, organization.

  Today it's all about the organization, keeping it going, "loyalty."
  Count me as one of those going to resign, not just as an elder,
  but from an organization that has lost its way. Just biding my time.

  -A
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  Doubt Not!

  by silentlambs in

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  i thought you might like to see a fax i just sent to j. r. brown.

  you can also pick it up on the front page of the website, you may also read and download the complaint that states the basis of this lawsuit.

  run wt run...... silentlambs.

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  Anchor

  Tina, sounds like you know whut yer talkin' 'bout. Jest whut if they had to trot out them Society-sanctioned thurapists who did'n even have a lahcense to practice in their state? Some of them have been hung out to drah by Ms Wah (former buds) and jest might be a-wanten and a-willin' to talk.

  Ms Wah can always appeal to the Confucian sense of relying on one's own interior moral guidance - Kent has a thread. Tina, I'm informed that lawyers say she is a much better lawyer than a Christian or JW, and that isn't saying much.

  Strategy?

  First, do we use our in-house guys and save money? We've done it before and can do it again. Let's do that and just throw big money at them to settle and see if this suit will go away.

  Do we get a big constitutional lawyer from Yale to handle things for us? Big bucks, but we can do that. How do we explain or justify the enormous expense to the rank and file? Oh, let's get help on the QT, and get money from the loyal friends by asking them for funds for some other needy project.

  Let's change the name from Watchtower Society to Christian Congregation. Ooops, we did that already. Let's change the address from 100 Watchtower Drive to Route 22 Patterson. Done. Check current letterheads.

  Let's change the Treasurer's Office from the Pennsylvania corporation, been that way since the beginning, to the New York corporation. Done.

  Don't take a chance that anyone says the wrong thing to the media, let's dismantle Public Information and just have one spokesperson. Done.

  Better not have any Public Affairs office in Great Britain or other countries. Done. You folks in the UK, call London Bethel and ask for the Public Affairs office and see for yourselves what they say. Maximus tells me the answer will be: "There is no such office any more." Check it out and share what you learn. I'd like to know for sure.

  I S O L A T I O N

  I wonder if that New Hampshire congregation will have any trouble filling up the time slot for "local needs" on the Service Meeting?

  -A