dear steve, since our last study together at our home i have had a few perplexing questions concerning the lunches and other communications with my wife pat while i was left at home, along with my never being asked to participate notwithstanding of who is paying for the meal; besides being her husband and head.. i have wanted to send this letter of inquiry concerning this matter, because it has weighed heavy on my mind, and also in view of the fact that don said at my door earlier with the other fellow that was with him, that you really liked me.
i feel you are a very good teacher as i mentioned to you on the phone as well as a wise man, so it is in this spirit that i have sent this letter to you.. after the last lunch that you and your wife had with my wife that was at lest two or three in number, me and my wife discussed why the questionings and mysterious arrangements that were apart from me appeared to be planed that way?
ever since that time i have mulled it over in my mind even at times waking up at night wondering just why there were these coordinated lunches to discuss studying or possibly other subjects, when i would never have restricted my wife?s desire to study even if i do have misgivings concerning some congregational policies.
Yes I am married we got married in Vegas a year ago. It was the old brother and his old wife that took her out to lunch. My wonderment sort to speak was where would get off thinking it was policy to do presure her behind my back, saying "you have got to consider your own salvation".
To some degree I am hopeing he will respond to the letter cause I was raised as a witness, and never seen such sneeky conduct from people inn their late years.
Shane
yes, in 1988, jws were so happy to learn that carbon dating proved the shroud of turin was a fake from the middle ages ... yes, once again, jehovah's alleged organization was forward moving in its truth ... ahhhh ... but wait!
it turns out, that while the carbon dating was accurate, it was not understood that the 1988 test inadvertantly used a repair patch from the 1300's.
so, yes, the carbon dating would show this date.
Question: Why does the image have to be Jesus, it could be anyone, or no one for that matter just like the weird images the Catholics see in trunks of trees or on their bed posts and crape like that.
this fourm has gave much information i would never seen other wise.
i learned that many other people have been cut low spiritualy speaking, by the actions of the witness policys.
to bad that most of you guys and gals i will never meet.
This fourm has gave much information I would never seen other wise.
I learned that many other people have been cut low spiritualy speaking, by the actions of the witness policys. To bad that most of you guys and gals I will never meet. If your ever going to be in the Zion Park area of Utah look me up, we can share a bruewski or some great food down at Casino just 45 miles away through the Virgin River gorge or up to Spring Dale or in St. George, or just have chips and dip.
Shane
dear steve, since our last study together at our home i have had a few perplexing questions concerning the lunches and other communications with my wife pat while i was left at home, along with my never being asked to participate notwithstanding of who is paying for the meal; besides being her husband and head.. i have wanted to send this letter of inquiry concerning this matter, because it has weighed heavy on my mind, and also in view of the fact that don said at my door earlier with the other fellow that was with him, that you really liked me.
i feel you are a very good teacher as i mentioned to you on the phone as well as a wise man, so it is in this spirit that i have sent this letter to you.. after the last lunch that you and your wife had with my wife that was at lest two or three in number, me and my wife discussed why the questionings and mysterious arrangements that were apart from me appeared to be planed that way?
ever since that time i have mulled it over in my mind even at times waking up at night wondering just why there were these coordinated lunches to discuss studying or possibly other subjects, when i would never have restricted my wife?s desire to study even if i do have misgivings concerning some congregational policies.
I hoped I would have got more hits on this post, cause I was feeling a bit stupid for sending this letter to this old elder. Even though I was raised a witness I have fallen away and felt the need for spiritual aid, and he seemd to be providing it till he told me the witness's still had the two witness policy concerning abuse. So I told him we both did not want to study at this time because of it.
It was then they started calling and asking for my wife, she then told me that they wanted to have lunch with her and not me on the phone, her not ever being a jehovah's Witness she also thought it kind a rude. I said yeah go and see what they want, so she let them take her to lunch from her place of employment (she paid for her lunch not them its her way) then she would relate to me what was said latter.
All and all it really bothered me and caught me off guard because he honestly was a kind old man of 73, and a friend of my older family members for some 50 years. Hopefuly this helps clear up some of the blank spaces in my letter to him. I am kind of a depressed kind of guy, in many ways cause of set backs caused because of a head trauma.
(By the way it dose not bother me use my first name.)
PinTail (Shane)
dear steve, since our last study together at our home i have had a few perplexing questions concerning the lunches and other communications with my wife pat while i was left at home, along with my never being asked to participate notwithstanding of who is paying for the meal; besides being her husband and head.. i have wanted to send this letter of inquiry concerning this matter, because it has weighed heavy on my mind, and also in view of the fact that don said at my door earlier with the other fellow that was with him, that you really liked me.
i feel you are a very good teacher as i mentioned to you on the phone as well as a wise man, so it is in this spirit that i have sent this letter to you.. after the last lunch that you and your wife had with my wife that was at lest two or three in number, me and my wife discussed why the questionings and mysterious arrangements that were apart from me appeared to be planed that way?
ever since that time i have mulled it over in my mind even at times waking up at night wondering just why there were these coordinated lunches to discuss studying or possibly other subjects, when i would never have restricted my wife?s desire to study even if i do have misgivings concerning some congregational policies.
Dear Steve, since our last study together at our home I have had a few perplexing questions concerning the lunches and other communications with my wife Pat while I was left at home, along with my never being asked to participate notwithstanding of who is paying for the meal; besides being her husband and head.
I have wanted to send this letter of inquiry concerning this matter, because it has weighed heavy on my mind, and also in view of the fact that Don said at my door earlier with the other fellow that was with him, that you really liked me. I feel you are a very good teacher as I mentioned to you on the phone as well as a wise man, so it is in this spirit that I have sent this letter to you.
After the last lunch that you and your wife had with my wife that was at lest two or three in number, me and my wife discussed why the questionings and mysterious arrangements that were apart from me appeared to be planed that way?
Ever since that time I have mulled it over in my mind even at times waking up at night wondering just why there were these coordinated lunches to discuss studying or possibly other subjects, when I would never have restricted my wife?s desire to study even if I do have misgivings concerning some congregational policies. Do you really feel it would have been unwise to come to my house to discuss the matters you felt were important, with my wife as well as me?
In conclusion I should have been present at those arranged for meetings or lunches as my wife related to me the substance of what was said, with most situations like that it would have caused much strife between husband and wife. My wife though not being raised a Jehovah?s Witness, instinctively recognized her place in connection with the headship principal, this is very rare in or out of the Jehovah?s Witness?s organization and for that I am thankful to her, she never ceases amazing me in this regard. I find it difficult to accept that Jehovah through Christ Jesus would approve of usurping a man and women?s relationship put in place by Jehovah himself.
I have observed the harmonious relationship you and your wife have; it was refreshing to see, I know it could be no other way with out causing great stress to both of you, I wish you could have allotted us that same dignity.
You may contact me if desired concerning the matter related above through electronic mail that is listed above or US mail, rather than bringing intimidating members to my door even though this may be organizational policy, it is still stressful to me and my health that I will not accept.
Yours truly,
Lewis S. Draney
most congregations have about 80 to 120 people.
out of that, how many could you consider being a "real friends"?
personally, not one of them was a "real friend".
None really, if you feel that being shunned is a mark of true friend.
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for some exiting jw's, they are "true believers" as far as some of the key doctrines of the wtbts are concerned, but they feel trapped in an organization that seems far removed from its original principles.. do you think the bible students are a relatively healthy alternative to the wts machine?.
Yes I do thus far anyway, that is if they don't condon shunning, let me know if they do. I went to the web site it sounds good to me, if I can find more about it, about shunning and Christmas (Christmas I love) then I will go to their convention.
Shane
i can't imagine jesus shunning anyone.
on the contrary, he went towards those who needed help the most.
if the jw's followed jesus footsteps, they wouldn't shun.
You got that right, would you hang up there and be impailed like that for just the good ones?
i dont know how i came across this forum but when i came to it i was so shocked of all the things being mentioned about the org.
i became doubtful of the recent decision i had made ( the big dip, which i kinda felt pressure to do but that's another story) also hearing about how jw are a cult really opened my interest.
so now that im openly informed ,im out in search of the truth behind the truth.
Why do you listion to, and let these dweebs you don't even know or don't have the right to for that matter, tell you what you should or should not do?
I have always found that hard to understand in myself or others, who are or was witness's to have a religion "publishing company" brain wash you with out becomeing pissed off.
after reading this thread, i started wondering whether online dating sites work well.
has anyone had any success with dating sites?
if so, which one?
Oh yeah, I am now married because of surfing the net, she treats me like I am a baggie of good sticky red haired pot, (valued).
