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  Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

  by Fisherman in

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  i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

  —unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

  i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

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  the unusual sentence structures and spelling errors. All part of the joke?

  Is that what you conclude after being on this forum longer than you? Also, it was 3AM, mate when I posted this thread. Try to use a little common sense.
  
  
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  Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

  —unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

  i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

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  the antediluvian world was entirely vegetarian is a repudiation of the design requires a designer argument.

  Hi TD,

  Thanks for your informative post and for answering the question asked under this topic. I enjoy your commentaries. A young universe was taught by wt in the past but it wasn’t their idea, that is how WT interpreted the Bible. In light of indisputable empirical science, the belief in a young universe is falsifiable so wt later reinterpreted the Bible to agree with science. WT now teaches that the the Bible can be interpreted to mean what science says about an older universe.

  Does the Bible teach predation before the fall of man as you interpret the Bible ?
  
  
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  Why Not Celebrate Christmas?

  by Mum in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.

  as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.

  they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..

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  LHG.

  Whether or not the reasons I showed are valid an true and work out is not the issue here under this topic and neither are they my reasons because they ain’t my rules. I was responding to your claim that FDS counsels against higher education for the reason that less educated JW are easier to manage and that ain’t the case for the reasons I stated.
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  Why Not Celebrate Christmas?

  by Mum in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.

  as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.

  they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..

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  They KID themselves , THEY , have god given authority ,

  Hi smiddy,

  I wasn’t saying that they do under this topic. I was only making the point that based on that premise they can make rules for JW. In fact, at baptism a JW subscribes to that authority.
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  Why Not Celebrate Christmas?

  by Mum in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.

  as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.

  they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..

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  Their real reason is that they dislike educated people because they are ‘harder to counsel’

  I thought about that in my distant pass but actually people with higher education make more money they can contribute, are more useful because of the training and have better logical skills so that isn’t the reason. The real reasons are 1 bad associations at a vulnerable age, distraction from spiritual goals because you are not seeking first the kingdom and sadly the wisdom of the world such as evolution and philosophy and critical thinking of the Bible is very persuasive and blinding and can convince someone that the Bible is not from God or challenge many JW teachings and once a person is in that frame of mind, he is out. Also pursuing a career and putting the kingdom work on hold instead of trusting in God. Baptized JW dedicated his life to God and doesn’t own it to pursue oersonal goals and careers. His career is his ministry-should be.
  
  
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  Why Not Celebrate Christmas?

  by Mum in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.

  as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.

  they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..

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  the FDS having God given authority over the JW..” But, I’m not getting into it.

  Whether they actually have God given authority is not the issue. Based on the premise they do, is how they can make such rules is the point.
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  Watchtower Study : Jehovah Is Helping You To Succeed

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  2. bible

  the watchtower—study edition | january 2023. study article 3. jehovah is helping you to succeed.

  how jehovah makes you successful.

  13. does jehovah intervene in every situation we face?

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  the ability tosee God's hand in anything

  Yeah, no matter what religion you are in too.

  The Bible message is to let go and let God steer your life. Focus on doing God’s work and things will work themselves out. When things go wrong, don’t he anxious. Do the best you can and trust in God. You are not in control of your like so there is nothing you can do. Seek first tge kingdom and the other things will be added to the Christian pursuing kingdom interest. When things fall apart frustration and worries won’t help.
  
  
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  Why Not Celebrate Christmas?

  by Mum in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.

  as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.

  they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..

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  My opinion of JWs not approving of the holidays is not just because they say the holidays are ‘pagan’.

  I see what you are saying.

  The JW like to build a fence around the hole to protect JW from falling in and being swallowed up by the world, that is the reason. There is an argument that celebrating a birthday or christmas may not actually be proscribed in the Bible but there is no scriptural basis for doing it and when it has pagan roots or religious non JW links like christmas, the FDS having God given authority over the JW, have made it forbidden to JW.
  
  
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  Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

  —unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

  i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

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  I would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.

  I don’t mean what JW taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended. —Unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.

  I’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions. I don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning. —Not so with JW. The JW teachings are supported by scripture, add up, are consistent, and” jive” like the 4 gospels, logical, reasonable, plausible and just make sense and appeal to the mind and heart. If you disagree, please show how so.
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  freedom of speech and loss of rights

  by enoughisenough in

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  2. beliefs

  i was thinking about freedom of speech after watching a clip about the jw suing kevin mcfree.

  they wanted to take away his freedom of speech.

  but in thinking about it, that is the way of the organization, save they want to control thought as well.

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  Hi PON!

  The Youtuber is British, mate. Like me. I'm not sure how American amendments apply to him.

  Whatever the law that provides freedom of speech( in the US it is the constitution) there are contingencies that also apply. In the US, there is case law for one. But first one needs to determine the venue where the tort occurred to determine jurisdiction. If it occurred in UK, then Brit law could apply unless there are prior agreements between the counties or even terms of service agreed to on youtube, etc.