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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
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  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  Such obvious lies.

  Wrong

  Already linked responses to their nonsense on this thread earlier today.

  Viewpoint

  
  
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  The Watch Tower Society's attempts to defend its doctrines are pathetic.

  No they are not.

  I have already specifically rebutted the Watch Tower Society's attempts to defend 607.

  No you haven’t.

  Still waiting for you to back up your claim that I've employed logical fallacies too.

  Read.

  I am still waiting for proof that falsifies 607.
  
  
  
  
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  The Twos

  by Fisherman in

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  the twos 2000-2022….. is that why do so many people put on tattoos?

  or are there other reasons?

  i can’t understand it.

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  Fisherman

  The Twos : tattoos. Not the 1900,1901..1920,1980,1999 -But the twos: two thousand, two thousand one, two thousand two, two thousand twenty two: THETWOS—TATTOOS. Like the 60’s sexties was the sex revolution. Or the music band, The Police, song “Every breath you take” and police choke holds suffocating people.

  It’s what people ironically do.
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  The Twos

  by Fisherman in

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  the twos 2000-2022….. is that why do so many people put on tattoos?

  or are there other reasons?

  i can’t understand it.

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  Fisherman

  This is how so many people th ink?
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  Wrong from the first sentence.

  Wrong.
  
  

  Objecting to information solely on the basis that you disagree with it is fallacious.
  

  Fallaseeking

  Opinions and interpretations are arguable. You conclude too much when you read. Im interested in proof and not rehashing the same argument wt has already rebutted. Believe what you like. Not interest in fallacious conclusions.

  WT scholars have over many decades produced scholarly research which proves 607 BCE as the only possible date for the Fall of Jerusalem

  I’ve listened to other schools of thought with an open mind but I believe in wt 607. Even if I wasn’t a JW I would still believe unless there is evidence that shows it is another date.

  An apologist is like a defense attorney that advocates someone regardless of truth and resorts to fallacy and doesn’t have to believe in what he is defending. I don’t see the info scholar posted on this topic as apologetic. Jeffro tries to push his assertions and conclusions as fact but only beliefs that wt has already replied to. Don’t like wt replies? Prove otherwise.
  
  
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  The Twos

  by Fisherman in

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  2. beliefs

  the twos 2000-2022….. is that why do so many people put on tattoos?

  or are there other reasons?

  i can’t understand it.

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  Fisherman

  The twos 2000-2022….

  Is that why do so many people put on tattoos? Or are there other reasons? I can’t understand it. Any explanations?
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  Given a 70 year exile ending in 539 (circa) the beginning of such exile should begin in 609 ( circa ) or 70 years earlier. Based on Bible interpretation WT 607 belief is valid vis-à-vis the trinitarians, atheists, et al. Obviously -423 is out of wack but -607 is plausible. Now if there is scientific evidence that Jerusalem was destroyed circa 586 or debunking 607, I’d like to see it but so far it is about interpretation of steles it appears and wt has made a rebuttal to those interpretations. To revisit the same arguments again is annoying because they are only views that I disagree with.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  Jews believe in a 70 year exile and a complete desolation of the land after Gedaliah but Jewish definition of exile doesn’t begin after Gedaliah but still 70 and complete desolation like JW and the destruction of Jerusalem at -423. Obviously Jerusalem was destroyed much later but that’s how Jews see it inspite of historical and astronomical evidence of much later on. Bible interpretation is subjective. I’m convinced in a 70 year desolation as scholar has explained. Jeffro uses too much fallacy in his debate with scholar. Aside from fallacy Scholar has won the debate here. Bases on Bible interpretation I see it circa 607 other non JW too. I think if you want to prove 586 you would need to show astronomical and historical evidence. I’ve seen interpretations of evidence suggesting 586 which have convinced a lot of people but nothing solid like 539. I would like to hear SBF and TD views and Ernest’s.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  According to orthodox Judaism, Jerusalem was destroyed circa 423 BCE or 3338 Jewish calendar (if I remember correctly.) But orthodox Jews believe that the Zion was empty for 70 years with the Jews exiled in Babylon. With Judaism there is more than one opinion for example there are 3 dates for the destruction of the second Temple: 68,69,70. Rashi and Rambam say 68 but 69 and 70 are also believed by others. However it is still interesting the Judaism believes in a 70 year exile and the land desolate like we JW.
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  July 2023 Study Watchtower - Great Tribulation is coming soooooooooooooon!

  by BoogerMan in

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  is this the "great tribulation" which jesus warned he would bring upon the corrupt christian congregations worldwide, (revelation 2:22; 7:14) or is it the same 1st century g.t.

  which he said would never occur again?

  (matthew 24:21).

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  Fisherman

  when Jesus said there wouldn't be time to climb down from roof. Neither time to go home to get clothes.

  The Jews had years to leave Jerusalem after the Romans retreated, only they didn’t know it and neither did they know that the Romans would with certainty return. That’s why Jesus had told his Apostles on the Mount of Olives 33 years earlier, “Let the reader use discernment.” and “ “Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will never pass away.” According to Josephus, the clever merchants abandoned Jerusalem like “rats from a sinking ship” after the Romans retreated from the first siege because the wise merchants knew for sure that the Romans would return. All of this and the Jewish zealots pursued Cestius and his army as they retreated from Gibeon and Aijelon imploring Jehovah for the “sun and moon to stand still”. But Jehovah had abandoned them as they triumphantly fought. “Look your house is abandoned to you you.” The Jews had so flagrantly disregarded Jesus with little account believing that Jehovah belonged to them. Deluded with victory and peace and freedom, they fought against the Romans and business as usual with their ordinary lives. “…you did not discern the time of your being inspected.” —Luke 19:44