Posts by Fisherman

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

"And if our hope in Christ is only for this life, we are more to be pitied than anyone in the world." TD

There is more.

While Paul delighted in God's Holy Spirit:

(1. communicating with God!!!!

2. (2 Corinthians 12:1-5) 12 I have to boast. It is not beneficial, but I will move on to supernatural visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I know a man in union with Christ who, 14 years ago—whether in the body or out of the body, I do not know; God knows—was caught away to the third heaven. 3 Yes, I know such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body, I do not know; God knows— 4 who was caught away into paradise and heard words that cannot be spoken and that are not lawful for a man to say. 5. . .

3. proof)

I tell you that after a while, you take these things for granted as sight and sound and taste and these blessings coexist with personal sufferings that God does not shield one from and one must live a life obeying Christian rules and like in Paul's case, persecution. Paul could not have meant that it does not pay being a CHristian because Christians are rewarded with God's Holy Spirit and that is better than everything but in the flesh one has physical needs too that God does complete with his Holy Spirit and a yearning for fulfillment that can only be satisfied with the reward.The "reward "is not only e personal relief but it also involves justice and seeing everything that Jesus spoke realize and the vindication of the Christian movement sort of speak.

When a Christian serves God, he experiences God rewarding him with his Holy spirit, blessings and approval and he also looks forward to God rewarding him with everlasting life etc, but if all there is death for all, a person may not choose to live everything the Christian way -what is the point of it all. The argument is moot because God gave Paul proof and God promises in the Bible that there is something more.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

"clean slate" TD

You seem to imply that one can choose to deliberately mock Jehovah without punishment or cause harm to others without paying a price. It seems to me that Jehovah will fulfill my desire for justice.

*** w12 9/1 p. 17 What Will Happen on Judgment Day? ***
3. What will Judgment Day accomplish?
Those who died without ever having come to know Jehovah God and serve him will have the opportunity to change and do good.

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If WWI Had Not Started In 1914

by JW_Rogue in

would jws ever have arisen the way they did?

Fisherman

Twas not the war of 1914, wt claims they had evidence from God that convinced the.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

Why, for example, die in a concentration camp if the full extent of your hope is to be resurrected right alongside your captors???? What possible incentive is that to be faithful????? TD

You got it all wrong. When are people going to realize that Jehovah is a vengeful God, He pays back. Anyone that dares to touch the least of his friends pays and plenty. They may repent later on but that involves surrendering and how painful it is to realize what they have done (ask Judas Iscariot) Imagine your resurrected captors having to face you in the Universal Court of JUSTICE.... What in the world will KIng David tell Uriah when he must face him some day... and too David paid an expensive price, so did Amalek, Pharaoh, Herod, those that murdered Jesus, and any entity who dares to touch any of God's friends.

Christians don't serve god specifically for a reward, but by the same token, without salvation, the whole proposition is entirely futile.

You don't know what you are talking about. Christians serve God because as they see it, that is what they want to do. Think of a man in jail who is being forced to submit to rape. They are going to have to kill him but he will not submit and neither will a Christian submit -reward or no reward. He serves God because it is the only right thing to do, sure he may commit a lot of sins and fail many times while trying but not because someone is trying to force him or there are better options. But because It is the only way. Christians trust God with VENGEANCE (justice) -something that you fail to understand, a man of your intellect and education.

Ahh, but the blessings of God's Holy Spirit, what people would give for it??????? Everything.

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Here's a view on homosexuality for you...

by konceptual99 in

...right from a pro-jw site in response to a post about the relative seriousness of homosexuality.

all you can do is reason from the scriptures, which you appear to have done.

homosexuality is as serious as bestiality, or adultery and fornication.

Fisherman

how blurred the lines around hating the sin and not the sinner really are.

I strongly disagree. WT has continued to be compassionate, merciful, understanding, tolerant towards homosexual sinners, never hate or repulsion or rejection -always compassion mercy and understanding for the sinner but not the sin. That is something that I have learned from wt which has made me a better person.

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Suffering and existence of God

by elbib in

many people find it difficult to reconcile suffering and existence of god.

it seems they feel that it is god’s obligation to shield humans from ill-effects of their short-sighted acts..

people’s hobby has something to do with this kind of reasoning!

Fisherman

When someone has the power to help someone from immediate harm or fatal consequences it becomes a moral duty. It does not apply to God because he is the ruler of good and bad.

A father would do everything in his power to help his son even if it is against his son's will, unfortunately, one can only restrain a son for so long until he decides to insist on a harmful course for himself and also resulting in harm to others.

Ultimately God has to put a stop to it. Hopefully, people stop on their own. I have alwsys sought to understand if wickedness is actually a choice or a gene.

God can alleviate sufferings with billions of miracles but that would be like restarining someone temprarilty, BUt eventualy satan attacks again and some other suffering comes up, everything is inegrated and part of a bigger picture, the picture we are given in the Bible is resistance to God's Holy Spirit so that God's will is not being done resulting in harm and things require God's full control to end suffering as we know it. I try to reconcile suffering in my mind -very hard. Justice requires a personal answer or reason for suffering to each creature from God.

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Suffering and existence of God

by elbib in

many people find it difficult to reconcile suffering and existence of god.

it seems they feel that it is god’s obligation to shield humans from ill-effects of their short-sighted acts..

people’s hobby has something to do with this kind of reasoning!

Fisherman

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

Fisherman

what would stop time to exist before, during and after?

Since 2 times sort of speak can exist or seem to exist at the same time while traveling at the speed of light in our universe, it seems that the time that you are describing makes up the framework of our universe integrated with space because light must move through space.Light cannot move without space. So, time inside the ship has one form, outside the ship another form. What form does time take in a nonexistent realm outside the ship of our universe and how can it exist not part of something?

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

Fisherman

Given: time as defined by prologos

IN the universe, a person traveling on the starship Enterprise at the speed of light would still need 8 hours of sleep and would live about 80 years, he would still need the same amount of time to read a book and to walk from one point on the ship to another location, that amount of time would pass traveling at any speed. He would have to wait a year to reach a location a light year away: That would result in 2 measurements of time

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

Fisherman

time

Relative to our universe, time began at the point of the "big bang."

One application of time is the measurement between 2 events. Or, a measurement of change. Imagine an illusionary clock that started to measure time at the point of the big bang but the clock moves in reverse and measures the time before the big bang occurred starting with the big bang. If no event or changes happened before the big bang, the clock would tick in the direction of negative infinity ( a mathematical concept) forever and never reach a starting point or a beginning. Like distance to measure a location with no other points in existence to measure distance from, length (or distance) is only a concept and so is time before the big bang with no other reference point to compare it to. -Fisherman