i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
Evidently just about anything is possible when generations overlap.
By definition generations overlap. The puzzle is what did Jesus mean by generation when applying it to his parousia. We at JW have tried to apply every possible definition (given JC parousia began in 1914 and JW theology ) So if 1914 is correct Jesus words must come true. That is to say, the expected gt. It is overdue. It seems to be delaying.
not a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.
the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.
given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.
Elmer, you remind me of someone that keeps honking the horn with a red light up ahead. Let them pass you then honk the horn behind them. Then they don’t like it. I’ve also told people with college degrees to return them and get their money back
not a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.
the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.
given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.
Very, VERY soon!"
That is subjective and doesn’t specifically address WHEN. Soon, very soon, very very soon, very, very very soon could mean in a couple of minutes or in a 1000 years depends on how you define soon. Why JW are loyal and that gt is coming soon even if it takes another 2000 years does not explain when.
When doesn’t depend on loyalty. Or on how soon it feels or is or on how you play with the word soon.
“Tell us WHEN will these things be”
in October 1914 if still alive today would be 108 years
I understand very well.
Great tribulation or bust is the motto assuming the correctness of 1914: “ “My words will never pass away” is recorded in all 3 gospels.
not a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.
the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.
given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.
We dedicated our lives to serve him (and his Organization) forever.
The subject here is not why but WHEN.
We at JW always figured that the 1914 generation would experience the complete sign of Jesus’s parousia including the “great tribulation”.
i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
amazing generation overlap.
As a preschooler back in the 60’s, I remember a lot of people from the 1800’s. My great great grandparents were alive at the time born in the 1850’s who knew people that lived in the 1700’s, so I talked to people that talked to people from the 1700’s.
not a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.
the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.
given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.
Not a hint of a new date for the great tribulation. The attitude of JW is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time. Given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in Finnish. I don’t think JW are looking towards 2034 in the future. No more dates.
if you consider that the god they believe in:.
- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.
........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?
Seems like theism doesn't make people any more decent.
How true. Read about the story of Israel and others.
mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.
at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.
single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.
f you aren’t capable of violence when necessary then you will be a victim.
Legally, when you stop being a victim legally, then you become an assailant and can be accused, prosecuted and sued. The only people that get away with violence are criminals and cops. Law abiding citizens go to jail or are compelled to pay their sweet assailant or robber or mugger or burglar or molester. If you don’t give a hoot, be ready to pay and have a lot of fun in legal proceedings justifying your violence or in jail.
fyi--.
& other personnel.
writing correspondence personnel, patterson, ny (incomplete).
The most remarkable was Dean Songer. Most remarkable female was Carrol Sokolowski, very low key and out of the spotlight but amazing. Is Richard Potter still JW? Any of these men still in the forefront?
kingdom halls will be the thing of the past.. conventions (mini assembly halls will still be going on) but will charge for attending and parking and always a donation.
elders will play a much smaller role since csa.
cart preaching will replace door to door.
I don’t think there are any more predicted dates by WT. Everybody is braced and in expectation. That nothing will happen is unthinkable. The core of JW will see it through even if they day of old age. Also, seems like there is expansion of media studios etc so the preaching work is full steam ahead. JW in general are not giving up the faith and people no matter how few are still coming in. JW religion is not going away.
