Posts by gespro

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What's your basic attitude?

by seattleniceguy in

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i think that if i had to describe my basic attitude toward life, the universe, and everything in one sentence, it would be this:.

generally, and on reflection, life is better today than it was yesterday.. very anti-thetical to the wt view of things, i know.

sng

gespro

"If I knew I was going to live this long, I would've taken better care of myself." -Eubie Blake, Ragtime pianist, composer of great tunes and successful musicals, who lived to be 99 years old

My basic Attitude: I'm a Gemini. I used to have too many variables day to day on this subject until I entered recovery for trauma.

Right now I say let the children play and be good to them. They don't have to suffer like I did. Just watching them grow healthy and well rounded makes me happier about life and gives me hope. They don't have to inherit a shitty outlook on life.

gespro- not so traumatized

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WT Load Even Possible to Carry???

by Confucious in

hey guys, .

i was a reg pioneer along with my wife for 9 years.

during this time, we honestly tried to do everything by the book.

gespro

Referring to the overloaded donkey pic, I can see a new Awake article in the making:

"I Am an Ass for the Watchower Society"

Hmmm I'm seeing some great Tshirts to wear to the door with that donkey logo...

It is indeed impossible to jump through the hoops the Borg has set up AND spend that quality time applying the Family book advice [am I out-dated or what?]

gespro -the not so traumitized

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Deleted's Top-5 Poll#3 "What did you learn that put you over the top ...

by Deleted in

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friends

... never to return.

" (btw, thank you all for indulging me in my top five polls) mine go like this: (1) i read the www.freeminds.org website, page by page (then i read crisis of conscience and in search of christian freedom) - thank you so much randy and ray!

(2) support4xjws (now http://www.network54.com/forum/128637) - i was a bit of a lightweight for the old forum site "h20" (it was like battlestar gallatica) - but the folks at support4xjws was just what i needed: people to listen, and amazingly similar stories - thank you mommie dark, spock, tishie, helen et al.

gespro

Pre-ramble...

I didn't think I had so many stored up. I guess I needed to finally express my disdain for having been born into a frikken CULT!

Well, let's see if I can get a TOP-5 out of this one...

10) Overhearing, in 1973, an ex-Bethelite in my congo talking to my brother in private about the research he was doing in the Bethel library, going to the higher ups about the new material he found and being shut down and told to forget it and concentrate on the regular info they were spooning out...and never to research that completely again.

9) Seeing how something as pure and natural as the ability to play music, a gift from God, can be distorted into something evil and you were 'chasing after the world' because you are able to make living at it, only to find out there were other Dubs in LA and NYC making a bigger living!

8) Seeing the constant contradictions concerning 'love among yourselves' being the tell tale sign that we are of the Christ. Oh yeah, the Fruitages of the Spirit were everywhere, weren't they?

7) The Spiritual Paradise that was present among our 'brothers' made me suicidal. If this is real love, kill me now! PLEASE! I left for a minute the first time...

6) Returning with spouse and children and having my children shanghied by the elder and wife and made to feel less of a man

5) Talking to another elder about childhood abuse against me and then being 'shushed down' as if I were cursing something holy. I left for a couple of years after splitting with joint smoking newly baptized first wife...

4) Returning to the spiritual paradise and seeing everyday people with their everyday attitudes and no love.

3) Returning years later, from my mother's urgings, with a new family to talk to an elder who resembled an abusive, authoritarian type who's lack of people skills will find him in a trench with a knife poking out of him.

2) Reading Franz' CoC and Christain Freedom at ex-Catholic wife's urgings, contacting Randall Watters and putting all of his audio info on a constant loop via CD until I could get over the total devestation of the truth about the Troof

AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON THAT SENT ME OVER THE TOP...

1) Realizing that my abusive mother would not be as psychotic IF it weren't for this shaming, shunning, lying CULT!!!!

Okay, so it's a Top 10.

Thanks for letting me share, Deleted...

gespro- the not-so traumatized anymore, amazing smoking human

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situation,Hello everyone

by vampmonk in

hey ladies and gentlemen, im vampmonk (obviously) and im new to this thing... i just wanted to ask for any advice possible.

i'm an athiest.

i apologise forehand if this offends any one, but such are the decisions we make in life, but back to my situation.

gespro

VAMP!

Welcome to the JWD Board!!!

Please take to heart what I'm going to relate to you but please don't be offended. I have experience with life to a certain extent and do know some things. Hell I even got kids older than you BUT believe it or not, I was 16 once...and it almost seems like I had more on the ball at 16 than I do at 45.

There seems to be two ways of explaining what you're in for: Long version and the short.

I left home when I 16 and again for good when I was 17, by the time I turned 18, I was married to someone outside of the Borg who was basically a drunken party girl. I was NOT developed enough as a person and my lack of wisdom/experience caused a poor choice of a mate but I felt sorry for her and thought I could help her- she was the first woman I was ever with. I should have been helping myself instead of putting a dead weight on my shoulders. She was pregnant and I married her and got her into the Borg. This is the begining of my woes and there isn't enough space to tell her the details of the hardline I towed and still pay for tothis very day...

so here is the short story:

I was young and full of energy and ideals. I was born and raised in the cult. My quick explanation to you would be to RUN! GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE! DON'T PLAY WITH FIRE! I'M NOT KIDDING! IF YOU'RE WISE YOU WILL RUN AND NOT TURN BACK! RUN LIKE THE WIND! RUN LIKE THERE IS A PACK OF WILD DOGS ON YOUR ASS ABOUT TO RIP YOU TO SHREDS! DO YOU HEAR ME???????? IT'S NOT WORTH THE MANY PAINS THERE ARE IN STORE FOR YOU...

You've been warned...

sincerely and with all due respect,

gespro

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Highlights from the August 1st Botchtower - are you humble and thankful?

by truthseeker in

this is such a joke... .

1st study article, page 9 - jehovah reveals his glory to humble ones .

there is great emphasis here on being humble, and having humility.

gespro

So um Truthseeker,

Are you trying to bury my birthday thread? Two in a row on the Friends area. Call me paranoid, but it seems your threads could go under a different catagory. Why Truthseeker, WHY? Why have you buried my birthday thread, oh Truthseeker?

gespro -having fun at others expense

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Hi, new here. Looking for old friends and new-also have you seen this man?

by michellej0000 in

my name is michelle jackson (hamlin) and i grew up in paducah, ky and murray, ky. i also lived in baton rouge, la and some other places.

now i live in knoxville, tn.

i was raised a jw, third generation.

gespro

Welcome to the JWD

Michelle!!!

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It's About INVENTORY, Stupid!

by Farkel in

in 1940, former zone servant harvey h. fink wrote that the wts was "set up by presumptous men whose interest in spite of their pretenses to the contray, is primarily selling books for revenue.." and that the wts demanded that books containing outdated doctrine would still "be sold to the people very definitely, because it wanted to get the revenue out of them in spite of the errors it willing admitted they contained.

strong words, indeed.

is the wts so currupt and greedy that they would knowlingly make their membership buy and sell books that contained admitted false prophecies and outdated doctrines?

gespro

I remember it taking 2 years to get through the scarlet covered book.

As a kid I remember trying to hold onto the points and trying to making sense of it all, and with an attention span of an amoeba, hopelessly drifting and trying desparately to again grasp onto something that made sense. This was my everlasting nightmare especially with that book...I could go on - but somebody shoot me now...

gespro -the more than slightly traumatized amazing smoking baboon

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A story about Socrates

by Scully in

keep this philosophy in mind the next time that you either hear, or are about to repeat, a rumour.

in ancient greece (469-399 bc), socrates was widely lauded for his wisdom.

one day, the great philosopher came upon an acquaintance who ran up to him excitedly and said, "socrates, do you know what i just heard about one of your students?".

gespro

Good 1

ROFLMAO

LOOKING FOR The MANSELL brothers

by gespro in

george or bruce mansell.

please fell free to contact me.

we were in the herkimer kingdom hall.

gespro

George or Bruce Mansell. Please fell free to contact me. We were in the Herkimer kingdom hall. My brothers are Nathan and James. Would love to hear from you guys. I talked to Bruce the last time way back in 1980 when he called me from Calfornia. email me at [email protected]

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Jealousy

by Stefanie in

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friends

does anyone have a problem with this, or have a problem with their mates being like this.

how do you know when your mate is cheating and when is it enough?

do you forgive..do you stay???.

gespro

Way to go Billygoat!

gespro -the overly possessive traumaitized amazing smoking baboon