some time back i read something about a new time arrangement involving 15 minutes of time being turned in.
does anyone have the whole story about this?
does a person get a whole hour for only 15 minutes of preaching?
Some time back I read something about a new time arrangement involving 15 minutes of time being turned in. Does anyone have the whole story about this? Does a person get a whole hour for only 15 minutes of preaching? Is the something that is being abused so that the time cards meet the national averages?
I am really curious as how this works.
Thanks in advance.
Take care.
Andyman:
outstanding !!!
... actually, connie was too nice to the jw leaders in her questions ... and i appreciate the two young ex-jw girls who connie interviewed ... they were straight forward, clear, and credible ... and they did a good job making the case ... and kudos to bill bowen for calling the watchtower's statement a bold-faced lie, because that is what it is ... the watchtower society clearly lied as to what they say their policy is, and what has been practiced in real life.
great job !!!
I couldn't have said it better Amazing!
It was excellent, and the girls did a great job along with Bill. I just hope that sooner or later these reports start making the JW's who know all of this is true, have a change in direction and confront the issue in a big way. I know 4 elders in my area who "know" for a fact it goes on because they have been guilty of covering it up. I can only pray that they see the light and do what God really wants of them instead of covering up for the boys in New York!
Keep up the good work Bill.
Andyman:
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do you think that, if say you fell over and and seriously injured yourself in the street, would a jw you knew passing by help you knowing that you were disfellowshipped or so called apostate.
maybe even come to see you at home if you were unwell or depressed,i mean how many witnesses have assisted or helped you when you needed it mostly,you see i thought they were supposed to encourage you to become so called spiritually stronger.but saying that when you were active as a jw do you think you were helped in times of distress or illness by your fellow jw,for instance i know a woman who's still a witness but hasnt been to meetings for say a year and thats because she has severe athritis and guess what only 1 j-dub has wrote to her so to her it seems like if your not a regular at meeting you may as well be classed as disfellowshipped.
Like so many have already said, I never received any help when I was active and I have not since I left, not DA'd or DF'd.
I remember when my wife was pregnent with my son. We were both active, I had surgery on my knee and was on crutches, my wife was having a bad pregnancy and the doctors told her to take it easy. The whole congregation knew what was happening and the condition we were both in. NOT ONE JW came by to help until a sister from another state came to visit her parents. She stopped by to see us and got irrate that nobody had been coming by to help us. She organanized her mother and siter who were in our congregation and they all came up to clean, and they made us a meal. She left and once again nobody showed up. Finally one elders wife called and asked if there was anything they could do and I said yes, we could use some help cleaning the house. She brought us a meal instead, and a week later two sisters came by and did clean the house. This was over a 9 month period that we got helped cleaning the house twice and maybe three meals prepared for us.
Now the sad part is that we lived less than 50 yards from one elder, and about 300 yards from another. One of them was my wifes brother! I worked with both of them and they knew how bad my wife was, and they knew that when I went in for surgery I would be laid up for over 3 months.
Since we left my wife has had sever depression, we take care of her mother who has had several storkes, and we still NO help from the JW's, and little help from her brothers with her mom.
I know another brother when I was active that needed help after surgery. Everyone knew he was sick and his wife worked, but nobody came around. Finally his wife got mad and went to the elders and "demanded" that someone come by to help him. What he got was some teenagers that came by to "read him the magazines" when the came out, he was almost blind.
So from my experience it is very rare to get a JW to help and active JW, let alone an inactive one or a DF'd one.
Take care.
Andyman:
you guys ever hear of touchstone forum?
it's another one of those jw message boards.
but they've been beating up on greg stafford pretty good.. http://www.touchstoneforum.org/~dchoi/dcforum/dcforumid1/680.html.
Hey there RR.
What was really funny is that GC got mad at Dina and locked the thread up, then Wrench came along and unlocked it and is willing to discuss things with her. Bet old GC is madder than a hornet now! :D
Running man, your right, it is like banging ones head against the wall over there, but like they say, you can lead a JW to the "truth", but you can't make him listen!
Take care.
Andyman:
i couldn't resist - some people are so pompous!
!- just had to post this message that i read on another board.....um....complete with my additions shown in red.
* to serve and worship our creator, the only true god, jehovah, is the ultimate honour, more valuable and precious than all the money and possessions, status, etc in the world.
Boy did you hit it on the now Redhorsewoman. My old congregation was just like what you described. All the sisters were going to "alternative specialists", or quacks I should say, because what ever new disease or syndrome that was going around, they were sure they had it!
We had two sisters who pushed their "alternative specialist" on everyone else, both were elders wives. One was into the "vitamin cure" and sold vitamins tht could cure "all your problems", for the right price that is! The other one was into "accupressure", which may do some good but the lady who practiced it was some con woman who was taking the JW's to the cleaners with her "contributions" for her so called cures. Usually after she worked on someone they couldn't function for days. Of course her claim was "you have to feel bad to get better"! She was turned in to the police for practicing without a licsense, but went to JW's homes and did her work there. She "taught" the elders wife who was "pushing" her cure how to do the "work" on everyone. Charged her a couple hundred dollars and then split owing all kinds of bills around town. Now the elders wife "diagnoses" the sisters, treats them, and she gets the "donation" for helping them. Most end up worse than before they started!
Healthier? I really doubt it!
Take care.
Andyman:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/us/06/18/scotus.jehovah.switne.ap/index.html residents not concerned about ruling in favor of jehovah's witnesses.
june 18, 2002 posted: 6:42 am edt (1042 gmt) .
stratton, ohio (ap) -- in a town this small, it's easy to tell who doesn't belong.
Excellent idea Julien!
Get address of all the active JW's in the area and then go to "their" homes early in the morning, before they get out, and pass out print outs from the net on things like the UN, child molestation, blood, etc. Also be sure and go to their homes right before they are ready to go to the hall in the evenings and do the same thing, and during supper, and breakfast, and ....!
Take care.
Andyman:
i have to wonder what the average witness today knows?
i guess they are under orders not to talk to anyone that might actually be able to inform them of any facts that are negative or unflattering to the society, but what have they found out anyway, through whatever means, even the publications?.
1. do they know that russell got a lot of dates from the measurements of pyramids, including 1914?
Yes, the saddest thing is that no matter what you prove to them, no matter how many sources of information you provide, no matter how many people show them, the average JW will simply shrug it all off and continue to follow the "organization"!
They want everyone they meet at the doors to give them a chance to prove how wrong other religions are, but try doing it with them, try showing them how "wrong" their religion is and it's a whole different ball game!
In their own words:
<B>*** g78 8/22 3 Do Others Do Your Thinking? ***</B>
<B>Propaganda has power. Does it overpower you? Or do you have a mind of your own?</B>
EDUCATION teaches you how to think. Propagandists tell you what to think. True educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists hammer hard on their view and discourage discussion Many times their true motives are hidden. <B>They sift the facts, tell the favorable ones and conceal the others.</B> They distort and twist facts, specialize in lies and half-truths. Your emotions, not your logical thinking abilities, are their target.<B> Many fall easy prey because it takes no effort to feel, whereas thinking is hard labor. And the propagandist sees to it that his message is made to seem wise, the right and moral one, and gives you a sense of importance and belonging if you follow it.</B> You are one of the smart ones, you are not alone, you are comfortable and secure—so they say."
Ironic, isn't it?
Take care.
Andyman:
im not sure if this has been discussed before but id be interested to read some comments from those who became jws later in life.
what caught your attention and sucked you in?.
my parents became jws when i was 5 years old, so it was pretty much the only way of life that i knew.
I was a recovering alcoholic, been clean and sober for years at the time, and was looking for something more in life. My sister had studied with the JW's for some time and encouraged me to read some of their literature. It sounded like they had the "answers" to every thing so I gave them a try and started going to meetings.
It was very different. Everyone seemed so friendly, and interested in me. It was a great feeling, the old love bombing thing. I was invited to homes for meals, to conventions, assemblies, etc. it was what every ex-alcoholic needed and I bought it hook, line, and sinker.
Once I was baptized things changed. I was just another one of the JW's then and all that JW "love" was for the new guys. I met my wife and got married and we had children, that's what kept me going for the last few years we were in.
Thank God my eyes were opened and later on so were my wifes and we finally got out of the organization.
Take care.
Andyman:
here's what i'm hearing:.
the dateline show is beating a dead horse brought up by malcontents.. it brings up a dead issue because the society is sending out.
letters in child abuse cases to go to the police - in individual.
Here is what one JW said on another site:
"What really cheeses me off is that these people have not bothered to get anything but the media side of the story before they have judged us. I know what is happening in this and I know that the brothers are not at fault, not the elders and certainly not the GB."
Even before the show airs the majority of the rank and file have already made up their minds that the society is not at fault. Will it make JW's stop and think? I hope so, but I feel it will be a small group who already have doubts. I hope it will give them the information they need to start doing som research on their own without using socity material to find out more about how the society has been deceiving them.
Most likely it will be all put on the local congregations and the society will simply say it was all the fault of the local elders and that they had no "knowledge" of the cover ups, much like they have done for years, simply pass the buck!
All I hope is that more people see what the society is really like and this may help keep them from gaining some new converts.
Take care.
Andyman:
my mother-in-law, who has several children, leads a miserable existence because of being a witness.
she stays in constant turmoil because usually at any given time one or more of her children is in a disfellowshipped state.
none are spiritual giants, however all believe that the witnesses have the truth except one, my spouse.
I remember one sister in my old congregation who was in her 90's. Her grandson came to a metting with his mom, and the grandmother had not seen him in over 2 years. He came up and gave her a hug and asked her how she was. The first thing she asked was if he had been Baptized yet as a JW. He said no, and she then went off on him and told him he better stop messing around and get with it or he was going to die along with the rest of "Satans" followers. He just looked at her while she continued to chew him out. He didn't know what to say or do.
I always thought the lady was just old and senile, but now after years of hearing the stories others tell I think that it is like you said, their whole life is trying to get every family member to become a JW, and if they don't they feel like they have failed some how.
What a way to spend your life!
Take care.
Andyman:
