Posts by trumangirl

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What first gave you doubts ?

by rick1199 in

we all know the big problems with the wts, but what was the first thing that made you realise there were problems with the organisation ?

with me it was realitivly small stuff like an 8 year old getting baptised and a comment my best mates made about another of our friends asking if we should be hanging round with her as she might be bad assciation (she had just been reproved, but they had been mates 20 years).. .

how ever the first time i ever thought something was really wrong was when i was about 11 and my grand farther died, and mu mum wouldn't go to the funeral, i remeber thinking that surely it was better to say good bye properly than worry about if the service was in a church.. .

trumangirl

Rogue, I hope it works out and your family stays together. If you haven't stopped attending meetings yet, do so, and your wife will probably guess that you want to quit. Let her ask you the questions in her own time. Just give her bits of info, start with 1914, don't say too much at once or you might freak her out. And remember you don't have to give up belief in God, Jesus or the Bible, just let your faith train cruise for a while. You can now concentrate on teaching your child good qualities by example and feel relief that you won't have to drag her up in the JW "cultivation" process like we were. Best wishes,

trumangirl.

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Interesting Ewatchman commentary on abuse

by trumangirl in

anyone read ewatchman's latest commentary condemning the "shepherds"?

he makes an interesting application of the law in ot about a person being bloodguilty if they knew their bull was dangerous yet didn't warn the neighbours or restrain it.

he compares this to a recent legal case where the wt lawyers said that the elders are not responsible for protecting "congregants".

trumangirl

Anyone read ewatchman's latest commentary condemning the "shepherds"?

He makes an interesting application of the law in OT about a person being bloodguilty if they knew their bull was dangerous yet didn't warn the neighbours or restrain it. He compares this to a recent legal case where the WT lawyers said that the elders are not responsible for protecting "congregants". ewatchman points out "what is a shepherd for if not to protect the flock?"

If one can get past ewatchman's ridiculous faith in the JW's as God's chosen people, it is interesting to consider his applications of scripture as they do seem to apply to JWs and other orgs gone wrong.

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The JW's release new brochure...."Keep On The Watch!"

by logansrun in

on getting back from the dallas apostafest i was able to see the new release from saturday's convention program that my mother attended.

it's a 32 page brochure entitled, "keep on the watch!

" with the subtitle, "for what?

trumangirl

I think they've put in the bit about priests sexually abusing children because dubs will read it and think subconsciously "See, the brothers are against child abuse and cover-ups, they condemn it in other religions, so that means they would do the right thing in those situations, we should trust them ... "

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What first gave you doubts ?

by rick1199 in

we all know the big problems with the wts, but what was the first thing that made you realise there were problems with the organisation ?

with me it was realitivly small stuff like an 8 year old getting baptised and a comment my best mates made about another of our friends asking if we should be hanging round with her as she might be bad assciation (she had just been reproved, but they had been mates 20 years).. .

how ever the first time i ever thought something was really wrong was when i was about 11 and my grand farther died, and mu mum wouldn't go to the funeral, i remeber thinking that surely it was better to say good bye properly than worry about if the service was in a church.. .

trumangirl

Woops, I meant to go on and say these things:

- the Revelation book prophecies applied to conventions in the 1920s

- shunning

- feeling embarrassed by the magazines and the meetings (but this was just my bad attitude)

- not being able to explain to my 5 year-old why the Jehovah would destroy her school friends at Armageddon

- missing out on university in the 1980s, then they softened the policy and I'd missed out.

.... but the brick wall of faith didn't fall over till a relative put me on to Ewatchman. Then the whole wall fell over in one hit.

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What first gave you doubts ?

by rick1199 in

we all know the big problems with the wts, but what was the first thing that made you realise there were problems with the organisation ?

with me it was realitivly small stuff like an 8 year old getting baptised and a comment my best mates made about another of our friends asking if we should be hanging round with her as she might be bad assciation (she had just been reproved, but they had been mates 20 years).. .

how ever the first time i ever thought something was really wrong was when i was about 11 and my grand farther died, and mu mum wouldn't go to the funeral, i remeber thinking that surely it was better to say good bye properly than worry about if the service was in a church.. .

trumangirl

I had loose bricks in my wall of faith -

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What Would a JW Discussion Forum Accepted By The Society Really Be Like?

by minimus in

jw
friends

suppose for a minute that the society allowed certain pro-jw sites to exist as long as they were heavily moderated by "mature ones".

what would the site be like?

what types of dialogue would exist?

trumangirl

Englishman, by gum, is that really you? you're more goodlooking in real life.

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What Would a JW Discussion Forum Accepted By The Society Really Be Like?

by minimus in

jw
friends

suppose for a minute that the society allowed certain pro-jw sites to exist as long as they were heavily moderated by "mature ones".

what would the site be like?

what types of dialogue would exist?

trumangirl

Undercover you made me LOL. I always hated that five fingers illustration!

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Higher Education

by eiu2003 in

jw
friends

well, let's try posting a topic.

one of the things i felt i missed out on while i was a witness, other than wild sex when young is higher education.

i quit hs to pioneer and now have just recently finished a college degree and am still working on my masters, but i find myself resenting that i have had to do this all at night and while in my forties.

trumangirl

I'm in exactly the same boat! - 35 years old, a family, work nearly full-time and studying.

Doesn't it feel good to learn stuff that's actually NEW that you haven't learnt before! and not feel guilty about doing it!

I just got a mark back from my last assignment - A Minus - that's a little show-offy I know but couldn't resist.

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New Wave JW's . . . I sort of got a chuckle out of this one.

by Corvin in

the apostates over at e-watchman's forum are dillusional .

first class spiritual nutjobs, if you will.

we know they do not consider themselves to be apostate, but they believe they will do the most good by staying in the organization so that when the foundations of the society are shaken, and they believe it will happen soon, they will be there to aid and comfort the jw's who don't know what to do or where to go.

trumangirl

I too went thru ewatchman mode for a while - 'transitional thinking". I couldn't keep up the facade, it was stressful, unrewarding and so I chose to fade.

What gets me is, how can someone be newly baptised while being a secret 'new wave' witness? They would have to lie to the elders asking the baptisamal questions in relation to things like 1914.

Also, they would have to have a good publisher record. They would have to be going door-to-door offering the mags that are full of beliefs they no longer believe in! An experienced JW could get away with avoiding mag placements and just placing the odd brochure that they do like, but I don't see how a new publisher could get away with that without arousing suspicion.

If they really believe the WT will fail, why are they boosting it by going on field service?

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Need info. on fading

by kls in

i didn't fade from the cult ,i just left so i don't know how fading work's.

do you attend meeting less offten ,do you attend a meeting then not go for a few weeks, then go back then stay away for a month etc.

if you fade to fast do you have to worry about the dredded talk with the elders?

trumangirl

'brain farts' that's an expression I haven't heard before, I like it.

I have faded over the last year or so by giving up door-to-door work, then all field activity, then the Ministry school meeting, then the book study, finally monthly sunday meeting attendance. But to start with it wasn't a deliberate strategy, just a subconscious "I can't stand this anymore" feeling that eventually came to the surface and became a conscious decision once I got up the nerve to look at the internet.

I must say, altho i don't mention my 'doubts' to dubs I meet, if any of them ask me directly why i've quit, I tell them "because I no longer believe in 1914" (even tho there's more to it than that). I find this the least shocking and you can see their curiosity.

Haven't had any elder meetings yet! Maybe it's different in NZ dub culture, in US they seem to disfellowship at the drop of a hat judging from what I've read.

I decided if it comes to being DF'd, so be it. Mind you I only have one rellie who would shun me and we're not close. If a dub asks me straight out why I've left, I would feel heartless not to share some of my new-found "truths" with them out of a fear of being disfellowshipped. Not that i'm judging people who want to keep the reasons for their fade more confidential.

trumangirl.