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  "New system" questions

  by JustTickledPink in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you remember all the hype about the "paradise" and then the natural questions that followed that no one has answers to... like,.

  "will we have cars in the new system?

  " - uh, well jehovah will provide us with whatever we need.

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  cyber-sista

  I used to wonder when I was a kid how is everybody that is reserrected going to communicate with each other?

  booker-t, I think it was mentioned that we were going to have star trek version universal translators implanted into our brains.

  I remember when they told us how it was good to visualize ourselves in the new system, but whenever I tried to think about it I felt confused and depressed, so I didn't much think (a big part of my problem). There were too many questions and I didn't want to think about working together with my congo under the direction of the elders (who were to become the rulers and princes over us all) who could hardley organize the morning car group. And,of course, we would have all that thrilling work to do--conducting bible studies all the day long with those newly ressurected ones. Thinking back it really didn't sound like a whole lot of fun. It depressed me to think that everyone who I truly loved (including my family) would be destroyed by a loving God and I would wake up the next day and be happy about it.??? We were told God wouldn't erase our memories, but the pain that went along with them. Would then he erase the love I felt for people who were not JWs? That was always a weird thought to me.
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  Are you a JW Hater?

  by MelbaToast in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  reading a topic in here, i came across a conversation regarding jehovah approved(tm) sports.

  i noticed that two of the posters were insensed at the amount of ex-jws in this forum.. they started ignoring everyone else that had put their opinion in on the subject....and decided that everyone in this forum was a jw "hater".

  i myself take offence to that, for i don't hate the jw's.

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  cyber-sista

  Just using my old JW underlining skills here.

  It's interesting to go back and read between the lines here without the WT questions to prompt us into answering. Where do you think the WT was leading us on this one? This is hardley subliminal, but strange I didn't see it like this when I was in the midst of it.

  *** Watchtower 1961 July 15 p.420 A Time and Place for Everything ***

  Jesus encouraged his followers to love their enemies, but God's Word also says to "hate what is bad." When a person persists in a way of badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of his make-up, then in order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person with whom the badness is inseparably linked. Indicating that Jesus did not mean for us to love the hardened enemies of Jehovah, David expressed this God-approved attitude: "Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies."-Matt. 5:44; Amos 5:15; Ps. 139:21, 22.

  *** Watchtower 1980 June 15 p.8 What It Takes to Keep Separate from the World ***

  What It Takes to Keep Separate from the World

  Without a doubt, our appreciating just how wicked and corrupt Satan's world is will help us to keep separate from the world. Such appreciation will make it easy for us to obey the command found at Psalm 97:10: "O you lovers of Jehovah, hate what is bad." No matter how pleasant, how enticing, wicked things are to the fallen flesh, we must abhor them, even as the apostle commands. (Rom. 12:9) More than that, we want to hate those who willfully show themselves haters of Jehovah, haters of what is good. As David of old expressed it: "Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies." (Ps. 139:21, 22) We hate them, not in the sense of wanting to do them harm or wishing them harm but in the sense of avoiding them as we would poison or a poisonous snake, for they can poison us spiritually.

  I guess if I'm supposed to hate what is bad I hate religious propaganda such as the above. I feel sad for people who follow along with it not realizing the direction they are being led . I'm sorry I didn't read between the lines a lot earlier.

  cybs
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-24-04 WT Study

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the october 24, 2004 wt study (september 15, 2004 issue)

  review comments will be in black and parentheses ().

  wt quotes will be in red and quotes "".

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  Great review again, Blondie,

  Much guilt and blame seem to be what the WT is dishing out on their menu these days. Supporting those who are weak has turned to blaming and rejecting those who are weak. Why do so many leave the WT Org if it is such a wonderful spiritual paradise filled with a loving supportive brotherhood? Because plain and simple--IT'S NOT!

  The truth is: Many have been downright traumatized by the mental and emotional manuipulation they experienced when under the control of this organization and then blamed in the end for their suffering. On top of that we face the slander and rejection by those (former friends and family) continuing to practice the rules of this Organization.

  At first I was somewhat apologetic towards these people--trying to be respectful of their beliefs that I could no longer be a part of. This is a hard line to walk though and it seems for me any contact with them on any level is not a healthy experience. Sad to say I am now working on the loss of 20 years of friendships and some family still in there. But there are many good people in this world who have offered me love and support--something I could not count on coming from the WT Org.

  Love and hugs to all,

  cybs
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  Abused Elders Son: Self-Mulitation

  by Corvin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  a longtime friend of my daughters, we will call him "c", called my daughter, nancy, yesterday.

  he is the 17-year-old son of an elder in my ex-wife?s congregation.

  c?s father and mother are highly controlling and abusive to the young man.

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  I have observed in the past years the JW religion becoming more extreme and the people who chose to stay in it are following suit--which includes everyone I have known in the past 20 years. Even some of the JWs who used to be "cool" well, semi-"cool" are acting out more and more out of character (without love). I expecially feel the young people as they seem to be taking the brunt of much of this insane religion. I feel for them the most. It may be their parents choice to be a part of it, but the young people are not allowed choice or voice. In the end this is one of the factors that lead me to leaving the Org--the young people--including my daughter were being treated like crap and some of these were really good kids! Case in point; I was talking with a sister (right before I made my exit) Her son had been in a car accident and had received a severe concussion. She was telling me that since that time he is really tired and wants to sleep in the evening and how she has to force him to go to study and go to the meetings. I tried to reason with her about the medical implications of having a head injury such as he did and the recovery time needed, but she seemed to have no sympathy for it and her big concern was her son getting to those meetings no matter what! What torture these people are putting their kids through. It is symtomatic of the religion system they belong to.

  Glad you are trying to help, Corvin--keep up the good work.

  The best to you and yours,

  cybs
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-17-04 WT Study

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the 10-17-04 wt study (september 1, 2004 issue)

  read this and tell me.. http://www.geocities.com/athens/academy/6040/sect.htm.

  jesus said at john 10:27, 28: "my sheep listen to my voice, and i know them, and they follow me.

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  cyber-sista

  Remember this information works both ways, examine the WTS teachings. Do they speak with Jesus? voice?

  Thanks again for the hard work Blondie.

  I was forced to examine the WT teaching a couple of years back when the elders were throwing old WTs articles on me trying to back up their insane reasonings with me. I spent several months looking up articles in the WT on family, relationships, marriage, etc. Examining these older magazines (which I had not really taken the time to do before) was quite revealing to me as it showed the waffling on doctrines, etc., etc. During this time I was not going to meetings (too "discouraged") but I was feeding myself on the food provided by the faithful and discreet slave through the pages of the WT magazine wasn't I? Of course some would argue that "the light gets brighter", so we would want to examine the newer light on things (I have heard this line before) but then why were the elders, CO, and even a letter from the society giving me quotes from old WT magazines? The society's letter quoted: 1965-1974-1989.

  At one point I even cried to an elder who was reasoning with me (WT reasoning) "Sometimes I don't even think we are worshipping the same God!" The God that they had been presenting to me was cruel, unreasonable and harsh. When I thought back on what I had read in the bible about the person of Christ (who was supposed to be a reflection of his father) I did not see the WT God.

  Articles like this help me to see why I am being treated the way I am being treated by my former JW friends and family (shunned because I am not going to the meetings) Some of these even know my story and know I have reasons for feeling the way that I do, but still they try to encourage me to go back to the emotional abuse.

  I am going to take the clue to respond to those who question me with telling them to examine the WT and the bible. Read the older publications. Think about what the WT is telling you now and what they have told you in the past. Think about Jesus--the bible tells all Christians to follow in his footsteps.

  I don't even know what I personally believe anymore in regards to the bible, God, Jesus, etc, but it sounds like this would be the best approach if you wanted to get JWs to reason on things. But, as we know ,if they are a hard core JWs you may not even get far with this approach. I have given up on most of them. I don't want to argue their insane arguements anymore. I feel sorry for many of the friends I once had that are still in there, but it is their choice to be there right now. Though I have grieved over the loss these past months-- I will have to leave them there and try to move ahead without them--it is the only logical thing to do.

  Hugs to all,

  cybs
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  My experience as a MS

  by DaCheech in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been a ministerial servant for 15 years.

  after 1994-95 "generation change" and 1999 "being hit by hurricane and no wt/brothers help".

  i had serious doubts.

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  When I was totally discouraged by the conduct of the elders and their treatment to myself and others in the congo--I was encouraged by a couple of people with the thought that "Jehovah's Organization is perfect, but he appoints imperfect men to rule over us." (these men I knew were total screw ups) This statement was not comforting nor did it really make any logical sense--but logic is not a JW concept as far as I can tell.
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  Why do my family still treat me like I have the "plague"?

  by booker-t in

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  2. friends

  when i "disassociated" myself in the early 90's i thought that finally i could go on with my life and not have to be subjuected to wt rules and regulations.

  wrong!

  my family will not let it go.

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  cyber-sista

  booker T.

  I never DAd myself nor was I Dfd, but I am still treated as if I have the plague because I don't participate in any JW activities any longer. I is a shock to me after 20 years of friendships and some family to be treated in this manner. I AM A NICE PERSON. I was always respectful and kind to others, but I couldn't take the abuse of the Org any longer. I couldn't take what they were doing to me and my family and to others I knew--half my friends in there were on medication--they couldn't handle being a JW without being on drugs.

  The paranoia is the JW Org has reached a frenzied level--I question the sanity of anyone who is still involved in the Org. If Jesus Christ himself walked into the KH today he would not be accepted.

  It no longer matters how good you are or kind or loving--how much you care for the sick and needy--how good of a parent, child, or friend you are--all that matters is if you are working for the Organization.

  Sorry--that is my soapbox for the day. It is not your imagination--JWs are getting more unbalanced as time goes on. Hopefully your family will wake up one day. Until then seek people who support you as a human being. You made the right decision to leave when you did. I almost waited to long. So grateful to be out now.

  As far as sharing your knowledge of the Org with any hardcore JWs most of the experts here will tell you--don't. They will view you as an apostate. They all know that you have your reasons for leaving. If they ever have the desire to leave themselves I'm sure you will be the first one they will think of calling

  Take care, the best to you!

  cybs
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-10-04 WT Study Abbreviated

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why does the bible say that a person should scream if threatened with rape?.

  " (deuteronomy 29:29) as a group, anointed christians serve as the faithful and discreet slave.

  all who want to understand the bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of god" can become known only through jehovah?s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.

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  1. A Christian woman may once have belonged to a religion that emphasized plainness of dress and appearance

  2. I remember an elder who denounced all makeup and refused to let his wife and daughter wear it. It also said no sister should wear it and was quite pushy. Then the new CO showed up with his wife. Man, there was a woman you could say put in on with a trowel. She had her nails manicured professionally every week, painted red, they looked like daggers. That elder turned white the first time he saw her.

  3.Christians who are strong must not look down on those who conscience is still weak in certain areas

  #1 is a very non-applicable and almost bizarre example. Very few religions emphasize plainess of dress. Seems like the WT is veering from the real reasons for JWs are violating the conscience of other. My conscience became very violated when I saw people treating each other cruely, lying, covering up child molesting, not loving their neighbors as themselves--etc, etc, etc. How a person dresses is a non-isssue as far as anything spiritual goes

  #2 Many of the overseers wives wore tons of makeup. They usually dressed like frumpy businesswomen--I tried to like them, but deep down they seemed really phoney to me.

  #3 This sentence is mind twisting. If a Christian is strong (meaning Christlike and loving) they would'nt have this problem in the first place. Being a strong Christian (WT version) is not being Christlike (loving and kind) anymore it is being a WT drone--going to meetings and studying articles in the WT such as the above.

  This article is another WT mindtrap.

  Thanks blondie for another good reveiw.
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  WT WARNING EXAMPLES: Anybody see this video?

  by cyber-sista in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  warning examples for our times was a wt release video that came out a couple of years ago.

  at the times i was given it to watch so i could know the seriousness of my daughter marrying an unbeliever (any of you who have heard my story know she had never become a believer herself, so technically was an unbeliever too, thus not qualified to marry a believer either, but made guilty by association with the jws--catch 22 situation).

  anyway, the video horrified me at the time.

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  In the drama, how was Jamin blessed for his moral integrity? By means of this video, what warm appeal is the Governing Body making to all true Christians? If you are a family head, why do you feel it would be wise for your household to view this program again and again?

  Voyager,

  thanks I remember this KM. I was half in half out of JW world at that point in time. That last sentence really bothered me then as it does even more so now. I thought at the time--that sure sounds like brainwashing...Imagine a father forcing his children to watch this video over and over again....The warm appeal part got me too.
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  WT WARNING EXAMPLES: Anybody see this video?

  by cyber-sista in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  warning examples for our times was a wt release video that came out a couple of years ago.

  at the times i was given it to watch so i could know the seriousness of my daughter marrying an unbeliever (any of you who have heard my story know she had never become a believer herself, so technically was an unbeliever too, thus not qualified to marry a believer either, but made guilty by association with the jws--catch 22 situation).

  anyway, the video horrified me at the time.

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  cyber-sista

  Was this the last WT video that was released or have their been any others since then? I still have family with small children in the Org and I am seriously concerned for them. If I took one clue that something was seriously wrong when I saw the damage being done to the younger ones-I could see the first hand effect it had on my kid. Glad we escaped before it killed us as a family.